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| Tamise Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom jllrr.wordpress.com/ Joined 5235 days ago 115 posts - 161 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Dutch Studies: French, Japanese, Spanish | Message 169 of 199 02 November 2013 at 11:17am | IP Logged | |||||
Where am I now with only two months to go? Well, my French has been put on hold so I can catch up with other things. I'd have to read 24 pages of French a day to finish the books and watch just under 2 films a week. Both are reasonable targets on their own, but I'm not sure I'll make it without a push on the reading. For Dutch I'd have to read 104 pages a day and watch just over 2 films a week. The films will be fine - in fact I've been holding off with Dutch films so I didn't finish ages ago. I can read that much Dutch in a day if I have the time (well, other than the current historical non-fiction...), but again really need to break the back of it by reading a lot in a short time. I'm currently reading the first of the Farseer trilogy by Robin Hobb, which is just starting to draw me in, so if I get the time this should work. For Japanese I'd have to read 68 pages a day and watch just under 2 films a week. Again, the films shouldn't be a problem. The reading here is a problem, as my Japanese reading speed is still pretty slow. If I read easy manga, I can get about 40 (book equivalent) pages done a day without much trouble and I'm also reading an Agatha Christie where I'm reading the Japanese and then the English - I'm picking up speed on this, but it's still pretty daunting. Overall, I don't think I'll get past, say, 80 books. Even with that, the change in my reading ability is huge - I wouldn't have been able to get past page 1 of the Agatha Christie when I started. For Spanish, I scaled the reading goal down to 15 books, and would need to read 17 pages a day to hit this and watch just over a film and a half a week to finish 50 films. Films is doable, but reading is more of a problem. I'm not really sure what my Spanish reading speed is, but my comprehension isn't great, so I find I can't read for very long at once. I've been reading adapted short stories and that's much easier, but when I go back to the kids' book I'm reading things will get more difficult again. Overall, I'm less optimistic about finishing anything than I was, but I've not yet given up. Regardless of where I get to in numbers, I'll still have made huge progress in all the languages and I'll have had a lot of fun in the progress. I'm already starting to think what I'd like to do for the next one! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4881 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 170 of 199 13 November 2013 at 2:07am | IP Logged | |||||
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I finally finished the movie section of the challenge! My final tally: 81 films
finished, 21 abandoned, and the first season of two tv shows. It turns out the French cinema is not my favorite cinema, after all. I've been wrong all these years! I hated a lot of the "great" French movies I saw, and loved ones that never make any 'best-of' lists. All this, and it's still hard for me to understand French movies without subtitles. I'm sure my comprehension has improved, but it's hard to tell. I've listened to the radio and to podcasts without much trouble; French movies still escape me. Moving forward, I like the idea of a 'star' system, with a star for every 25 until you reach 100. I'll post all the films on my log, but wanted to post my favorites here: 1. Les misérables (Raymond Bernard, 1934) 2. La règle du jeu (The Rules of the Game; Jean Renoir, 1939) 3. Les enfants du paradis (Marcel Carné, 1945) 4. Orphée (Jean Cocteau, 1949) 5. Jeux interdits (Forbidden Games; René Clément, 1952) 6. French Cancan (Jean Renoir, 1954) 7. Nuit et brouillard (Alain Resnais, 1955) 8. Ascenseur pour l'échafaud (Louis Malle, 1958) 9. Les cousins / Le beau serge (Claude Chabrol,1958 / 1959) 10. À bout de souffle (Breathless; Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) 11. Plein soleil (Purple Noon; René Clement, 1960) 12. Le bonheur (Agnès Varda, 1965) 13. Les demoiselles de Rochefort (Jacques Demy, 1967) 14. Z (Costa-Gavras,1969) 15. La cage aux folles (Edouard Molinaro, 1978) 16. Le dîner de cons (Francis Veber, 1998) 17. 8 femmes (François Ozon, 2002) 18. L'enfant (Jean-Pierre Dardenne, Luc Dardenne, 2005) 19. Incendies (Denis Villeneuve, 2010) 20. Carlos (Olivier Assayas, 2010) 21. Polisse (Maïwenn Le Besco, 2011) 22. Le Havre (Aki Kaurismaki, 2011) 23. Les adieux à la reine (Benoît Jacquot, 2012) 24. Dans la maison (François Ozon, 2012) 25. Gainsbourg (Vie héroïque) (Joann Sfarr, 2012) TV Shows: Kaamelott, Season 1 Not a Truffaut in the bunch, and not many nouvelle vague flics either. Edited by kanewai on 13 November 2013 at 11:20pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4525 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 171 of 199 13 November 2013 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
Have you forced yourself to watch much without subtitles? I'm now at 259 German films for the Challenge, and I still have trouble with understanding certain films without subtitles. I actually find dubbed film easier. Perhaps because the actors speak more clearly or less idiomatically. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5524 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 172 of 199 13 November 2013 at 1:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
Hi, patrickwilken! Good to see you around again. :-) I agree with Kanewai that there's something especially hard about many French films. I can watch TV all day long, and once my listening is fully activated, I can follow 90% or better of almost everything that comes across the screen: native series, dubbed series, fast panel discussions on the news, parliamentary debates. But stick me in front of a stereotypical French film, and I'll often miss half of it. A small handful of native TV series, including Engrenages, are much the same. In a lot of ways, I find these materials harder than listening to two natives talk to each other. As far as I can tell, many French film directors like high-speed, naturalistic speech, and they tend to preserve regional dialects and class distinctions in a way that's rare in French TV. Some of the incomprehensible bits of Amélie, for example, are genuinely hard, even if you have an exact transcript and you leave the audio on loop play. For example, the first man that Amélie helps, when he comes into the bar and talks about what he just found, slurs his speech in a really remarkable way. I stuck a clip in my log and just about everybody struggled with it. I would probably find it easier to get used to French films if (a) I had enough time to watch full-length movies, and (b) I actually liked French films. And it's been a while since I tried in earnest. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4657 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 173 of 199 13 November 2013 at 2:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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French films truly are the beast of learning the language. I can often understand every single word in a radio broadcast and nearly everything in a TV talk show but still have trouble with many movies. I think what you said about high-speed, naturalistic speech is exactly right.
I happen to like them, but lately I don't have the time to sit down for 90 to 120 minutes. Edited by tastyonions on 13 November 2013 at 2:01pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4525 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 174 of 199 13 November 2013 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
Thanks! Good to be back!
I guess high-speed, naturalistic is always going to be the ultimate goal of the language learner. In Germany, there is a very crime show, called Tatort, that's so popular that more than 50 bars in Berlin alone show it live. It's unusual as it's filmed by different TV stations in many different cities in Germany (and Vienna and Zürich?), each with their own detectives. You would think that would be the perfect learning experience, but actually I hate Tatort. The plots are difficult to follow (even for Germans) and the regional accents (and regional use of words) can be quite difficult. I think I have just been very lucky that I have had access to lots of dubbed films and TV shows to learn from. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Hekje Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4695 days ago 842 posts - 1330 votes Speaks: English*, Dutch Studies: French, Indonesian | Message 175 of 199 13 November 2013 at 10:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Dutch Super Challenge Update
I finished the film section of the challenge! I'll write more in my log when I get home from work, but I was just so psyched that I had to update here right away. My last entry, which I just watched, was an episode of Je Zal Het Maar Zijn - "Veelbelovend". A full record of what I've watched for the Super Challenge can also be found in my log. Books are not doing so hot; I'm currently at ~2,450 pages out of 10,000. Finishing by December 31 is obviously out of the question. However, I may continue in 2014 as a personal challenge. Anyway, yaay! I feel pretty accomplished right now. :-) Edited by Hekje on 13 November 2013 at 11:06pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Tsopivo Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4463 days ago 258 posts - 411 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Esperanto | Message 176 of 199 07 December 2013 at 4:37am | IP Logged | |||||
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I have finished my challenge today and my boyfriend finished his this week.
Cristina, is there going to be a new Super Challenge next year? Pretty please. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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