slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6681 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 10 of 93 03 May 2011 at 1:29pm | IP Logged |
I have just uploaded a new video: Case Study.
Tom. 28 years old men. English native speaker, polyglot. He wants to learn Mandarin like a native speaker. He has problems with this goal. He feels very bad. How does he deal with those problems?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7WG0GPMjBk
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Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6017 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 11 of 93 03 May 2011 at 4:08pm | IP Logged |
slucido wrote:
Thank you. I always make the same mistake. |
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This is actually my main criticism of your viewpoint. It is self-evident that indiscriminate "input + output + time" doesn't deal with mistakes, because you, me and everyone else sees the same thing: we keep making the same mistakes over and over again and it takes specific focused work to get rid of them.
And more importantly, "input + output + time" didn't avoid you learning the mistakes in the first place.
The reason I say that we have to discuss specific methods is to make sure we learn the language properly.
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slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6681 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 13 of 93 03 May 2011 at 4:41pm | IP Logged |
Cainntear wrote:
slucido wrote:
Thank you. I always make the same mistake. |
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This is actually my main criticism of your viewpoint. It is self-evident that indiscriminate "input + output + time" doesn't deal with mistakes, because you, me and everyone else sees the same thing: we keep making the same mistakes over and over again and it takes specific focused work to get rid of them.
And more importantly, "input + output + time" didn't avoid you learning the mistakes in the first place.
The reason I say that we have to discuss specific methods is to make sure we learn the language properly. |
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You want to be sure that you learnlanguages properly. You want a guarantee, but unfortunately this doesn't exist.
Here my answer about my (or other people) mistakes and how to avoid them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE_Zx7n-TQY
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schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5566 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 14 of 93 03 May 2011 at 5:23pm | IP Logged |
I enjoyed the first one. Funky graphics. Relaxed style. Have downloaded the others for later consumption.
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Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5326 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English
| Message 15 of 93 03 May 2011 at 5:48pm | IP Logged |
slucido wrote:
I have just uploaded a new video: Case Study. |
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I just listened to your video. Here are my brutally honest comments:
(If you find them too harsh and/or unhelpful, simply ask a moderator to delete my post.)
1. Content:
Everything that you said in this video are IMHO just common sense statements that most people (or at least most polyglots) will eventually figure out on their own.
2. Presentation:
I like the neon colors, but the text is sometimes difficult to read.
I might be a snob when it comes to spoken English, but I found it at times difficult to listen to your English because of the occasional grammar mistakes and mispronunciations. (You may want to ask some native speakers for honest feedback and work on perfecting your pronunciation.)
Since you definitely have some interesting ideas, why don't you create a language learning blog?
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Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6017 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 16 of 93 03 May 2011 at 7:04pm | IP Logged |
slucido wrote:
Cainntear wrote:
slucido wrote:
Thank you. I always make the same mistake. |
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This is actually my main criticism of your viewpoint. It is self-evident that indiscriminate "input + output + time" doesn't deal with mistakes, because you, me and everyone else sees the same thing: we keep making the same mistakes over and over again and it takes specific focused work to get rid of them.
And more importantly, "input + output + time" didn't avoid you learning the mistakes in the first place.
The reason I say that we have to discuss specific methods is to make sure we learn the language properly. |
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You want to be sure that you learnlanguages properly. You want a guarantee, but unfortunately this doesn't exist. |
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Now that's just a strawman.
I didn't say it had to be perfect -- I didn't say anything about guarantees.
BUT...
You can do things better without doing them perfectly. This just requires a bit of thought, and the discussions we have here that you dismiss as being too complicated are our attempt to think about things.
For example, a lot of people have problems with conditional sentences (if... then...). This is something Michel Thomas covers really well in his Spanish course, and it is really easy that way. Meanwhile, other methods have people puzzling for hours over terms like "mixed", "unreal" and "hypothetical".
Why shouldn't we discuss these things?
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