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| caam_imt Triglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 4865 days ago 232 posts - 357 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, Finnish Studies: German, Swedish | Message 1 of 11 17 August 2011 at 6:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hey guys!
I am an avid fan of metal in all its forms, and therefore, I like Vintersorg. The Swedish language has been constantly in my mind for possible target languages in the future, as it seems to be so close to English/German and looks really cool in written form. With this in mind, I wanted to ask if somebody would translate this song for me, as I like it a lot and I can't figure out its meaning by just guessing/using google. Here it goes: Vintersorg - Månskensmän I gnistors regn, binds en krans En cirkel sluten, av stjärnors glans Från fjärranhet, från dunkel sfär I töckenvirvlarnas atmosfär Nu rider de, från pol till pol Mot rymdens tinnar, mot slocknad sol I molnens huld, blott fjärran än De högtidsmantlade månskensmän Med spänd båge, och blänkande dolk Dessa luftgudar färdas över himlens lykta I nattens klang, den oförställda tolk Längs vintergatans bana ses de flykta Eldkvastar, från vålnadshäst Bringa till oss, din hedersgäst Han som över månen styr Och stormorkesternas uvertyr Likt blodfärgad rubin Är månskensmännens blickar Med lömska solvarsgrin Längs himlakartan de drar De bär på nattens arv Som smeksamt oss bestickar I ändlöst tidevarv Hör! Världsalltets fanfar Från Orions bälte de drar sin banestav Och nedstiger mot granskogsbrynen Sen urminnes tid de vevat jordens nav Från stjärnfirmamentet skänkt hembyggdssynen Och ridande gladiatorer mot skyn åter lyfte De äro förmörkade solskensandar med det högre syfte One more question: How would you describe the vocabulary used here? is it common? is it too poetic? I was wondering if at some point I can start learning words through these kind of songs, but I am not sure if it would be convenient. The link for the song if you wanna hear it :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt_kmLts9Es Tack! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6706 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 11 17 August 2011 at 10:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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Winter sorrow - Moonshine men
In the rain of sparks, a wreath is wrought, A circle closed, by the radiance of stars From far away, from (a) dark sphere In the atmosphere of the misty whirls They now ride, from pole to pole Towards the summits of space, towards (an) extinguished sun In the shelter of clouds, just far yet the solemny robed moonshine men With drawn bow, and blinking dagger These aereal gods travel across the lantern of the sky In the sound of the night, the unfeigned interpreter Along the orbit of the Milkyway they are seen fleeing Tufts of fire, from guardian horse, Bring to us, your guest of honor Him who rule the Moon and the overture of the storm orchestras Like a blood coloured ruby Are the gazes of the moonshine men With insidious 'all-over-the-face' grins*** Along the sky map they travel They carry the heritage of the night Which bribe us affectionately In endless timespan Hark! The fanfare of the Universe from Orion's Belt they draw their deathstaff/orbitstaff And descend towards the edge of the spruce forest Since the earliest* times they weawed the hub of the Earth From the stellar firmament gave** Homestead visions And riding gladiators towards the cloud again rise They are eclipsed sunshine spirits with a higher goal * 'times of olden memory' ** or 'given' *** 'grinning like a Cheshire cat' ---- The words are not really difficult (although I do think there is a spelling error solvar[g]sgrin), but as so often in poetry they are put together in a way that isn't meant to be readily understandable. Actually this may have been sung, but I doubt that even native Swedes can grasp the meaning of such a text on the fly. As a text used pedagogically for its meaning it would be too confusing, but you might use recitation of this kind of heroic poetry to train your rhetorical skills. Edited by Iversen on 17 August 2011 at 10:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6706 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 3 of 11 17 August 2011 at 11:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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La tristeza invernale - los hombres del claro di luna
En la lluvia de chispas, se forja una corona , Un círculo cerrado, del resplandor de las estrellas De lo lejos, de una esfera oscura En la atmósfera de giras de niebla Ahora cabalgan de polo a polo Hacia las cumbres del espacio, a un sol extinguido En abrigo de las nubes, aún sólos a distancia Los hombres solemne vestidos del claro de luna Con el arco dibujado, y la daga fulgurante Estos dioses celestos si mueven a través de la linterna del cielo En el sonido de la noche, el intérprete no fingida, A lo largo de la órbita de la Vía Láctea se les veen huir Penachos de fuego, de caballo tutelar, Nos traen, su invitado de honor El que decide de la Luna y (de) la obertura de las orquestas de la tempestad Como un rubí color de sangre Son las miradas de los hombres claro de la luna Con insidiosas sonrías "de oreja a oreja" A lo largo del mapa del cielo viajan Ellos llevan la herencia de la noche Que soborna insinuante a nosotros En infinito lapso de tiempo Siente! La fanfarria del Universo Del cinturón de Orión sacan su vara de muerte/órbita Y descienden hacia el borde del bosque de abetos Desde los tiempos primitivos tejieron el cubo de la Tierra Desde el firmamento estelar dado Visiones del suelo nativo Y gladiadores cabalgantes hacia la nube suben de nuevo Son eclipsados espíritus de sol con un objeto superior -- ... and I still don't know what this stuff means. But it is grandiose poetry Edited by Iversen on 17 August 2011 at 11:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6662 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 4 of 11 18 August 2011 at 12:34am | IP Logged | ||
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In a rain of sparkles a wreath is made. A circle is closed in star shine. From far away-ity, from a disk sphere, in the
atmosphere of the haze whirls. The are riding, form pole to pole, toward the pinnacles of space, toward a burned out sun. In the arms of the clouds, but yet far away, they are formally dressed men of moonshine. With drawn bow and shining dagger these gods of air are travelling over the lantern of the sky. In the tone of the night, the undisguised interpreter, along the road of the Milky Way they can be seen fleeing. Fire bolts from a ghost horse brings us your guest of honour. He that rules over the moon, and the overture of the orchestra of the storm. Like a blood colours ruby is the gazes of the men of moonshine. With dubious grins of sun wolves along the map of the skies they go. They carry the heritage of the night, which us caress-ly bribe in an eternal turn of time. Harken! The fanfare of the universe. From the belt of Orion they draw their banning staff and descend to the edge of neighbouring forrest. Since the dawn of time they have been grinding the hub of the earth. From the firmament of starts given the view of the home district and the riding gladiators towards the sky lifted again. They are darkened spirits of sunshine with the higher purpose. This text is just bad and archaic wannabe grammar, archaic and uncommon and even juridical words town together into some fantasy-ish song that’s not narrative enough to be understood at all. Above is a prose translation as close as possible to the original Swedish as I could. I’m pretty fluent in English yet I had to use a dictionary for a lot of the very uncommon terms used here. Bestickning is the name of a crime in Swedish and it’s not used as a verb anymore. Uvertyr seems to mean overture — yet I have never ever heard that word being used. Don’t use this as a source if you’re studying Swedish: you will not understand anything (I did not! and I’m a native) and you will sound ludicrous if you try to talk anywhere here this :P 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| caam_imt Triglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 4865 days ago 232 posts - 357 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, Finnish Studies: German, Swedish | Message 5 of 11 18 August 2011 at 10:04am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for your replies!
In fact, I should mention that I copied the text from a lyrics website, so the spelling errors might be attributed to this. I don't know if you listened to it but then that could be an easy way to check if the words in the text are wrong or not. I think I was right, I should not study with this kind of songs :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6706 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 6 of 11 18 August 2011 at 2:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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I can see that Hampie and I agree on most points, but one exception is the word "solvarsgrin" (which I already had some doubts about when I translated the text). There is not much doubt about "grin": it's is almost certainly a grin or smile of some kind. Today I have tried to look "solvarg" up and one thing I found was a Swedish club for roleplay enthousiasts. At Synonymer.se I found this: "glatt leende person, muntergök, glädjespridare", and it was a similar idea that lay behind my idea about a grin from ear to ear - but wolves would fit better in this gloomy context. "Varg" actually means wolf (and Tolkien reused the word in his works), but I can't see any evidence on the internet of a sun-wolf. Maybe Hampie has heard something that hasn't penetrated into the internet yet. And "solvar" without g is apparently just the name for a chair (and a form of the verb "solva") Edited by Iversen on 18 August 2011 at 3:01pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6662 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 7 of 11 18 August 2011 at 8:20pm | IP Logged | ||
To be honest I had absolutely no idea what a solvarg was and I’ve never encountered the word before, so I translated it literally. They use månskensman so solvarg did not feel so impossible next to the other weird words in the song :P. Yet I had to use a dictionary multiple times because I rarely try to use words as töcken or besticka in English :P. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6662 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 8 of 11 18 August 2011 at 8:22pm | IP Logged | ||
I tried to listen to it, and it’s not my cup of to that is true, but I think you have to be quite used to metal music to actually hear what is being sung. I could not make out more than every other word :P 1 person has voted this message useful |
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