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| translator2 Senior Member United States Joined 6918 days ago 848 posts - 1862 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 97 of 204 15 April 2012 at 10:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, we could start the first "Language Battle" like on the show The Voice. :-)
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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6469 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 98 of 204 15 April 2012 at 11:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think the reason why people tune in to the typical Youtube polyglot's channel is that they want to learn how to learn languages themselves. They might also go there for instruction in any particular language. So I do not blame them at all for producing this kind of content. Still, one need not always conform to people's expectations. I for one enjoy a civilized discussion of questions related to news/politics/history/philosophy and I'd love to participate in such discussions in any of my languages - not for the purpose of proving language knowledge on Youtube, but simply to have a nice discussion. I would watch it for the same reason. Edited by Sprachprofi on 15 April 2012 at 11:02pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4714 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 99 of 204 16 April 2012 at 1:07am | IP Logged | |||||
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I think Benny said it somewhere, but I must quote now. If being a C1 level student means being able to speak about any "routine" subject with no problem whatsoever, then, even being a native Brazilian, by this definition I'm not a C1 student in Portuguese, since I'm not able to discuss topics such as fashion, cars or global warming in a decent way... Edited by fabriciocarraro on 16 April 2012 at 1:08am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tmp011007 Diglot Senior Member Congo Joined 6068 days ago 199 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: French, Portuguese | Message 100 of 204 16 April 2012 at 1:55am | IP Logged | |||||
fair enough. I am not able to hold a decent conversation on those topics either.. on the other hand, I wouldn't say I'm a B1, the way benny does, just because I'm able to babble some words in mandarin ("as he seems to have mostly spoken with teachers, and listened to material aimed at learners, he may not really understand how limited his Chinese is") 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5129 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 101 of 204 16 April 2012 at 2:04am | IP Logged | |||||
Sorry, that's such a nonsense argument. Although you may not be able to discuss subjects such as fashion, cars or global warming, surely you recognize when they're the topic at hand and can at least get the gist of what is being said. C1 (or any other level) isn't just about speaking. It's foolish to think otherwise. R. == 6 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4714 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 102 of 204 16 April 2012 at 2:21am | IP Logged | |||||
It is not non-sense at all. I can recognize and get the gist of so many things now with my intermediate Russian, even with my poor Dutch. For example, 1 year ago while I was in Moscow, with an A2/B1 level in Russian I was able to talk about football for 30 minutes with a friend of my wife's. During the same trip, I've had a hard time trying to tell her uncle about Brazil's export products in a 3 minutes "conversation". I'm sure Tim is able to get the gist of things in much more languages than I am, but it doesn't mean that he can discuss about it in a decent way, the same way I can't discuss about fashion, cars and global warming in a decent way. On the other hand, my (Russian) wife will speak about fashion in Portuguese in a MUCH better and sofisticated way than me. Looking at it from another angle, I'm an Engineering student here in Brazil, and I'm able to discuss about it in at least in 4 languages (in different levels, of course). However, is this really a routine subject? More than fashion or cars? I really don't believe so. My point is, you can't measure Tim's abilities in his languages by considering 1, 2 or 3 subjects, even if they're considered "routine". Maybe he'll be much more able to speak about language learning, computer games or rock bands than about global warming or fashion. The same to all of us. We all have different interests, and of course we'll be able to express ourselves better about something we like. Edited by fabriciocarraro on 16 April 2012 at 2:26am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5129 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 103 of 204 16 April 2012 at 2:33am | IP Logged | |||||
My post was in response to you not being a C1 level in your native/active language. Sorry, but I maintain that that is a nonsense argument. Benny should never have made the original argument, much less anybody else thinking it's sound advice. Again, sorry, but no. Just no. R. == Edited by hrhenry on 16 April 2012 at 2:33am 6 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ellsworth Senior Member United States Joined 4956 days ago 345 posts - 528 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic, Irish | Message 104 of 204 16 April 2012 at 2:42am | IP Logged | |||||
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Hrhenry is right. fabriciocarraro, just because you don't have your facts right about
global warming, fashion or any of the other things you mentioned doesn't mean that you couldn't talk about them. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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