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| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5262 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes  Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish | Message 9 of 34 21 July 2012 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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I had a few months ago a few lectures in Russian. I had read parts of books and internet articles before, but never dealt with spoken language. At first it was hardly understandable, but after 30 mins or so, I was understanding most of it. And I always thought the mutual intelligibility was a myth. (This is turning into mutual intelligibility thread anyway.)
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6603 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 10 of 34 21 July 2012 at 9:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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| Einarr Tetraglot Senior Member United Kingdom einarrslanguagelog.w Joined 4619 days ago 118 posts - 269 votes Speaks: English, Bulgarian*, French, Russian Studies: Swedish | Message 11 of 34 22 July 2012 at 8:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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Inspired by this thread, I took a couple of level tests. The former being in Russian, the latter - in French. It turned out that my score on both is intermediate.
Now, considering the fact that I've been studying French extensively for five years at school (in which we had to use it around 80% of the time), my Russian (in which I've never really attended a single class only sreading/watching stuff of my interest) is at the same level of proficiency. Therefore, I can surely agree with the picture on the previous page. And in addtion I'd say that the mutual intelligibility between Bulgarian, Serbian and Macedonian is at at least 90% for the first and 95% for the second (at least to my own, personal perceptions). Edited by Einarr on 22 July 2012 at 8:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4674 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 12 of 34 22 July 2012 at 9:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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I understand Macedonian pretty well, but I can't understand Bulgarian (because of different phonetics, too many muffled and clipped vowels, and different/Russian-influenced vocabulary). Macedonian is the most vocalic Slavic language, Bulgarian is the most consonantal Slavic language. What I might understand in Bulgarian is hidden because of the Bulgarian pronunciation which is not really vowel-friendly. Edited by Medulin on 22 July 2012 at 9:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4865 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 13 of 34 22 July 2012 at 9:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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Interesing since Bulgarian doesn't have blends like krv as in Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian and Slovenian.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6603 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 14 of 34 22 July 2012 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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I wonder if there's a difference between being consonantal and having consonant clusters?
Polish and Czech have plenty of clusters, but for example Polish sort of compensates for that by having nasal vowels where other Slavic languages have a vowel and a consonant. So yeah I'm not sure I'd call Polish consonantal either. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5262 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish | Message 15 of 34 22 July 2012 at 9:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think he's talking about the vowel reduction. Traditionally, a half of the Bulgarian dialects at most have any reduction, namely the eastern ones. The more further east you go, the strong the reduction becomes. However the trend is the vowel reduction to spread westwards.
Still, odds are a speaker from a western part of the country will pronounce clear and unreduced vowels. The transition between vowel reduction areas and the ones without any is smooth, there is no border. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6603 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 16 of 34 22 July 2012 at 10:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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Is Russian consonantal then?
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