sehiralti Triglot Newbie Finland Joined 4756 days ago 15 posts - 27 votes Speaks: Turkish*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Swedish, Finnish
| Message 49 of 52 25 April 2013 at 7:10pm | IP Logged |
Maybe it's a bit unrelated but does anyone know if Krashen knows about L-R or not? I feel like L-R is a way to bring
the native material to i+1 level by knowing the material beforehand and having a parallel text.
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emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5531 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map
| Message 50 of 52 25 April 2013 at 7:55pm | IP Logged |
sehiralti wrote:
Maybe it's a bit unrelated but does anyone know if Krashen knows about L-R or not? I feel like L-R is a way to bring the native material to i+1 level by knowing the material beforehand and having a parallel text. |
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At least for me, it doesn't seem to matter why a text is comprehensible, especially if I'm willing to repeat it, or to get de facto repetition through an enormous quantity of input.
So for me, the major trick is to get some sort of temporary comprehension boost. L/R works, as does reading books I know well in English, or reading graphic novels, or watching TV. The latter two, of course, come with images that make them much easier to understand from context.
Once I have a temporary comprehension boost, I can then use sheer exposure to turn it into a permanent gain. This is a fairly pleasant and painless process: All I need to do is read and watch and pay active attention.
Of course, this isn't the whole story. But everything else I do builds on this base.
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sehiralti Triglot Newbie Finland Joined 4756 days ago 15 posts - 27 votes Speaks: Turkish*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Swedish, Finnish
| Message 51 of 52 25 April 2013 at 8:50pm | IP Logged |
emk wrote:
Once I have a temporary comprehension boost, I can then use sheer exposure to turn it into a permanent gain. This
is a fairly pleasant and painless process: All I need to do is read and watch and pay active attention.
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Exactly. That's my experience now. And I would be curious to know if Krashen has any comments on this. He always
talks about i+1 material in a sequential way, but I feel like the other ways of "lowering" the i+1 to our level also
works and can be much more enjoyable.
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montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh
| Message 52 of 52 25 April 2013 at 11:31pm | IP Logged |
I went searching to see what had been discussed about comprehensible input on HTLAL in the past. Here are a few Krashen-
related threads that I found:
The Din in your head hypothesis
Comprehensible Input
Djinn in the head
A Case for Narrow Reading
Comprehensible Input?
Beyond Comprehensible Input
(links to a longer thread)
I think I'll leave it there for now.
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