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| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5528 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 433 of 479 10 January 2015 at 3:58am | IP Logged |
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It seemed like the obvious choice since they use it on Japanese variety TV in pretty much
the same way they use 화이팅/파이팅 on Korean variety TV. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4790 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 434 of 479 11 January 2015 at 6:36am | IP Logged |
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Hi Warp3! Finally finished reading your log, phew! I just like to know about people's
journeys with a language they care about... Very inspiring to see your progress with the languages. I'm glad you picked up Japanese again. I can understand and totally relate to your Spanish plight. In my case, it was Russian, and to a certain extent Spanish, French, and German. I started to learn Russian in 2012 and didn't achieve much, largely abandoning the language, repeatedly going back again and starting over, only to get stuck at the same exact place I stopped at previously. I realized what I was missing was a "hook" to make me love the language so much I'd be willing to sacrifice my time for it. But I was so overprotective of Japanese and anything stealing time away from it that I would always default back to Japanese. My media, books, almost everything I have is related to Japanese in some way. It's a language I'm willing and wanting to see through and be with for the long haul. When I think about the amount of effort I need to expend for Japanese, I feel excited, not defeated at all. Like it's a challenge. With Russian, I feel exhausted already and not really sure if I'll ever be at it the same way. That's why I decided to give it a break, and just focus for now on Japanese. Also Korean has been on my radar for sometime now and following you and CZ hasn't been really helping with resisting the urge :) I feel about Korean the same way I feel about Japanese, that this is something I'm willing to spend time and energy on, and really immerse happily in the culture without feeling like I'm sacrificing anything. I found music, dramas, and shows that I'm excited to actively spend time on when I start Korean at some point in the near future. Japanese will always have that special place in my heart, though, and I still want to get to a respectable level in the language before tackling Korean. I find the best gains happen when I focus on one language at a time, 2 at the most if I'm well under way in one of them, and I'm always in awe of people who can juggle multiple languages at once. I noticed that when you started Spanish and Japanese together with Korean was also around the time your studies took a serious dip. It may be related to your work, I'm not sure. That took longer than I intended. Great log and keep up the good work. Edited by Woodsei on 11 January 2015 at 6:51am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5528 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 435 of 479 11 January 2015 at 2:57pm | IP Logged |
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I couldn't agree more, Woodsei. In fact, the fact that I'm finding myself feeling the same way
about Japanese as I do about Korean (which did not happen two years ago when I was studying Japanese the first time) is what makes me realize that Japanese is probably here to stay this time around. In fact, lately I often have to induce myself to spend more time with Korean since Japanese is happily taking any time it can. As you noted, studying all three languages just didn't work well. Even when it is not particularly busy at work, I just don't have the free time to devote to three languages at once. Once I get Korean and Japanese up to fairly high levels, it shouldn't be a problem to feed in a third language, but Korean and Japanese both still need too much of my time for that right now. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5528 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 436 of 479 11 January 2015 at 3:06pm | IP Logged |
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한국어 (2015년 1월 4일 - 2015년 1월 10일):
Suspended Korean Cards: 0 I went to suspend the vocabulary cards from Dec 2013, but everything from that month was either a grammar card or a sentence starter, so there was nothing to suspend. Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) Comments: Most of the unsubbed videos I've been watching have been either music shows or early episodes of Running Man. It seemed that rewatching the older episodes of Running Man in unsubbed form should allow me to reacquaint myself with the frequent dialog from the show (this time in Korean-only form) in order to have a good "running start" (no pun intended) into the newer episodes that I haven't seen at all yet. TAC Progress: Unsubbed Videos: 8 -> 15 (91) Team Challenges: 0 -> 0 (1) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the final goals for Q1, except for the Team Challenge where it denotes the total number of issued challenges.) --- 日本語 (2015年 1月 4日 - 2015年 1月 10日): Current RTK Lite Status: Lessons Done = 46 -> 48 (56) Kanji Covered = 1775 -> 1827 (2042) Active SRS Cards = 1010 -> 1044 (1116) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the totals for completing RTK1 / RTK Lite.) Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) TAC Progress: Rembering The Kanji: 2 -> 4 (26) Textbook Lessons: 3 -> 5 (39) Videos: 22 -> 43 (273) Team Challenges: 0 -> 0 (1) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the final goals for Q1, except for the Team Challenge where it denotes the total number of issued challenges.) Edited by Warp3 on 11 January 2015 at 3:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5528 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 437 of 479 18 January 2015 at 4:02pm | IP Logged |
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한국어 (2015년 1월 11일 - 2015년 1월 17일):
Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) Active Practice: Post on HTLAL (in the team thread) Comments: Posting my self-intro in the team thread reminded me once again just how little I use my Korean actively and thus how much work it needs. I'll need to keep that in mind for Q2 when I switch to Korean for my focus language. TAC Progress: Unsubbed Videos: 15 -> 22 (91) Team Challenges: 0 -> 1 (1) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the final goals for Q1, except for the Team Challenge where it denotes the total number of issued challenges.) --- 日本語 (2015年 1月 11日 - 2015年 1月 17日): Current RTK Lite Status: Lessons Done = 48 -> 50 (56) Kanji Covered = 1827 -> 1879 (2042) Active SRS Cards = 1044 -> 1065 (1116) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the totals for completing RTK1 / RTK Lite.) Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) Comments: I was starting to get frustrated that the "Japanese for Busy People" lessons were taking way too long, so I've made a change. The change is that I no longer write out most of the exercises, since that was the vast majority of the time. While I appreciate the Kana writing practice, it makes the lessons far too slow and boring (and if I don't curb that now, I'll eventually just stop doing them). There are two exceptions, however. I do write the answers to the listening exercises (since transcription is kind of the point) and for the quizzes that appear after each few lessons. Because of this change I just did a lesson and a quiz in much less time than just the lesson alone would have taken me had I written down everything. Fortunately, I still get writing practice for both Kanji and Kana (JTBP1 only works on Kana anyway) from my Anki reviews since I do active reviews for both and write my answers on graph paper. TAC Progress: Rembering The Kanji: 4 -> 6 (26) Textbook Lessons: 5 -> 7 (39) Videos: 43 -> 65 (273) Team Challenges: 0 -> 1 (1) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the final goals for Q1, except for the Team Challenge where it denotes the total number of issued challenges.) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5528 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 438 of 479 25 January 2015 at 4:27pm | IP Logged |
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한국어 (2015년 1월 18일 - 2015년 1월 24일):
Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) Comments: Not much of note with Korean except that my "Unsubbed Videos" goal seems to have stopped me from watching subbed media at all. I'm still not sure if this is a good thing yet since it means I've not been watching some shows that I previously enjoyed, but at least I'm getting a lot more unsubbed media exposure now. If it becomes too much of a problem, I'm considering allowing subbed shows as partial credit toward the goal (something like 2 subbed shows = 1 unsubbed show) so that way subbed shows still count for something but aren't as efficiently counted so it's still more worth my time to watch unsubbed media. TAC Progress (week 4): Unsubbed Videos: 22 -> 28 (91) Team Challenges: 1 -> 1 (1) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the final goals for Q1, except for the Team Challenge where it denotes the total number of issued challenges.) --- 日本語 (2015年 1月 18日 - 2015年 1月 24日): Current RTK Lite Status: Lessons Done = 50 -> 56 (56) Kanji Covered = 1879 -> 2042 (2042) Active SRS Cards = 1065 -> 1116 (1116) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the totals for completing RTK1 / RTK Lite.) Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) Comments: I've been pondering taking a break from RTK after finishing my RTK Lite pass and the closer I got to the end of the book, the better that idea seemed. As such, this past week I didn't do any textbook lessons but rather made a final push to complete my RTK Lite pass. The main reason I feel the need to pause for now is that I need to revisit the characters I've already activated and tweak them to improve recall. There are two culprits that seem to be triggering this issue with certain characters. First is that many RTK keywords are simply too similar. For many characters, I've been able to resolve this by adding Korean and Japanese readings to the keyword which helps differentiate which character Anki is presenting to me, but not all cards have this yet. The second is that some of my stories that seemed decent at first are simply not working as well as expected, so I need to tweak some of those stories to make them more memorable. As such, I'm going to stop adding new characters for a while and focus on getting my review counts under control while going through all the RTK Lite characters and adding Korean and Japanese readings where I haven't already done so. I've been seriously considering trying out the premade beginner Anki decks from Japanese Level-Up. I've been reading the blog there somewhat regularly (which reminds me of what the AJATT blog used to be back in the day) and I'm starting to think that those might be a decent deal after all, especially since they include full sentences, native audio, minimal English, Kanji where applicable, and each card is designed to build upon the knowledge introduced by the previous cards. Essentially it is like a textbook in Anki form. It does seem a bit pricy at first glance, but then again the entire 1000 card beginner pack (which also includes a few other items bundled in like a deck with all the Kanji used in those 1000 cards) is still much less than each 30-lesson phase of Pimsleur, should cover far more material, and is in a better format for actually reviewing the material afterward (which is one of my complaints about Pimsleur as I feel they need to at least include a review CD or something). I have several textbooks, so I could easily follow his process of gleaning sentences from those and creating such a deck myself but sometimes time is simply more valuable than money (to a point) and I think the premade decks may be the better investment for me right now. TAC Progress (week 4): Rembering The Kanji: 6 -> 12 (26) Textbook Lessons: 7 -> 7 (39) Videos: 65 -> 94 (273) Team Challenges: 1 -> 1 (1) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the final goals for Q1, except for the Team Challenge where it denotes the total number of issued challenges.) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5642 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 439 of 479 25 January 2015 at 4:51pm | IP Logged |
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The main drawback of Heisig is learning characters in isolation. It is good to focus on
characters individually, but then you need to see those characters in vocabulary words, and then you need to see those vocabulary words in context. I mentioned it about a month or two ago I could still read some Mandarin despite not actively studying the language for months, and that was due to the amount of vocabulary study and reading I had done. For characters, I spend very little time learning them on their own, in which case I usually just practice writing out the characters. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4790 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 440 of 479 25 January 2015 at 6:49pm | IP Logged |
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I agree with CZ. Heisig is very helpful in helping you recognize the kanji and write
it out/know its component parts without all the hassle, but what makes them stick is seeing them in vocabulary words. The kanji I know better are ones I came across reading. Early on when I started, there was even kanji I learned to recognize without having seen it in Heisig, simply because it showed up frequently. This is what I'm doing currently, too, as I review, I try to link my kanji cards to words I've previously encountered and know well. The koohii site seems to have introduced multiple vocabulary words, and common ones too, with the kanji as you learn it, so that the readings will come easily to you. Or you can try to read more sentences, subs, books, whatever, and make note of it as you go. Kanji needs context to stick, at least in terms of readings. I understand the dilemma you have with needing structured materials that introduce native content early. Work sucks so much energy and time, it can be really overwhelming trying to make your own decks. I read the JALUP site regularly too, and while I don't have any experience with the decks, they might be useful to you. Seeing a word/kanji in multiple different contexts will make it stick better than seeing it multiple times in the same sentence, imho, as well as SRSing things that you've actively picked out since they resonate with you better, but since you are already spending so much time doing other things like reading and watching TV, I don't see purchasing the decks being a problem. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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