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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 25 of 140 12 August 2012 at 4:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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"omdat hij het hebben wil" is not the standard word order, but certainly correct in a lot
of circumstances. Dutch worder is rigid but not that rigid ;) "Hij bestelt een bord soep, omdat hij het wil eten" is a neutral word order, but if you say: "Hij bestelt een bord soep, omdat hij het eten wil" - you're emphasizing the eating of the soup (as opposed to drinking, throwing it against the wall and whatnot). Edited by tarvos on 12 August 2012 at 4:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Julie Heptaglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6895 days ago 1251 posts - 1733 votes 5 sounds Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, GermanC2, SpanishB2, Dutch, Swedish, French | Message 26 of 140 12 August 2012 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks a lot! It's good to know such sentences are not incorrect, even though they may
have a different emphasis. Now I should remember the right word order much better (I did visualize throwing the plate against the wall ;)). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6589 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 27 of 140 12 August 2012 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
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There are Dutch songs at lyricstraining as well :) I love the helicopter one, armen open and de waarheid :)
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4820 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 28 of 140 12 August 2012 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
I would be surprised, i.e. I don't think they will interfere. (You mentioned a long time back now, that you were slightly afraid they would). But I was also "covering my bases", and saying that I'm (always) prepared to be proved wrong! Don't worry; just the equivocal Englishman equivocating. :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 29 of 140 12 August 2012 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
The sentence you got was the general rule, so remember to use that first. Once you've got it down pat, juggle with it, Hekje-style, and you'll be fine ;) (she has a great link to solve all your word order questions in Dutch). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Hekje Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4695 days ago 842 posts - 1330 votes Speaks: English*, Dutch Studies: French, Indonesian | Message 30 of 140 12 August 2012 at 10:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
Did someone summon me? x-D Julie, I apologize if this is something you've already seen, but I found DutchGrammar.Com to be the best and most comprehensive resource on word order. Once you get through the basics you will know everything. As a side note - "omdat" is one of those subordinating conjunctions, which means the clauses it creates get all their verbs flipped to the end. Relative pronouns also trigger the same word order. The good news is that, after you master this one new pattern, there really isn't anything about word order that should greatly surprise you. So-called "advanced" word order is really only about moving out small chunks of the sentence for emphasis and legibility. It's really wonderful to be able to read your reflections here! Keep on keepin' on. :-) DutchGrammar.Com - Dutch word order (Basic) DutchGrammar.Com - The subordinate clause DutchGrammar.Com - Dutch word order (Advanced) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Julie Heptaglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6895 days ago 1251 posts - 1733 votes 5 sounds Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, GermanC2, SpanishB2, Dutch, Swedish, French | Message 31 of 140 12 August 2012 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
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@Serpent: thanks for the hint. I was once disappointed to find no Swedish songs on
lyricstraining.com so I didn't even think Dutch ones might be there. Now I have to give it a try. @montmorency: This is a great proof for how afraid I am of interferences :). I thought I must have understood something wrong whereas in fact I understood you perfectly :). @tarvos: Thanks again! I hope word order won't be very difficult @Hekje: Thank your for the link! I didn't know the website, and it seems great. The Michel Thomas course has already included sentences with relative 'where', 'how' and 'how much'. The pattern itself is not all that difficult (I speak German which also has this kind of word order) but all differences between Dutch and German (+ the fact the course is in English) make it a bit more confusing. I am glad to share all my reflections :). For the next week and a half there'll be fewer of them (I'm going to Germany, as mentioned above) but I am enjoying Dutch more and more :). Edited by Julie on 12 August 2012 at 11:14pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 32 of 140 14 August 2012 at 1:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Interference isn't so bad. I sometimes end up writing Cyrillic instead of Latin, it just
happens, it's when your brain tries too switch too quickly from one related activity to another. Just train it often enough and you'll be fine. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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