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| tmp011007 Diglot Senior Member Congo Joined 6068 days ago 199 posts - 346 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: French, Portuguese | Message 17 of 27 03 October 2012 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
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| bob_26782 Triglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5782 days ago 7 posts - 12 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), Turkish Studies: Finnish, German, French | Message 18 of 27 03 October 2012 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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My girlfriend is a native Russian speaker who deals with languages every day (she is an interpreter) and said that Huliganov's Russian accent (when speaking Russian) is the best she has ever heard from a non-native. It took her a while to be convinced that he, in fact, is not a native Russian speaker!
And referring to a comment a while back, she found him speaking with a Russian accent in English hilarious! 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 19 of 27 03 October 2012 at 9:49pm | IP Logged | ||
He explains a bit more about why he does that on his blog. I think he's pretty genuine, and the name attributed to him in the title of this thread seems wholly unwarranted. Having said that, I did start to think of him as "Michel Thomas meets Sacha Baron-Cohen". :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6702 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 20 of 27 04 October 2012 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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When this thread was created I had the option of closing it down on the spot (or one of my moderator collegues might have done it), but I decided to let it live because I expected that it would develop into a thread about people who deliberately speak in an assumed accent for humoristical or pedagogical purposes. and I don't remember that we have had such a thread so that would be relevant. Furthermore the comments have amply demonstrated that the word 'fraud' was totally undeserved in the case of Huliganov and probably also Ken Tanaka. So to make the thread acceptable in a forum like HTLAL I have changed the title from "YouTube Polyglot Frauds" to "Assumed accents on Youtube" ("'fake' accent would have had the same factual meaning, but less salubrious connotations). Edited by Iversen on 04 October 2012 at 12:51pm 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 21 of 27 04 October 2012 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | ||
Iversen, KT's Japanese accent is very realistic. Remove the video and I'm sure you'd fool a lot of people. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6702 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 22 of 27 05 October 2012 at 8:49am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm sure KT's assumed accent is realistic, just as Huliganov's Russian one is. I used the word 'fake' because KT obviously isn't Japanese, but the end effect is hilarious and therefore I hesitate to change it into "assumed", which is a fairly neutral word (unfortunately with a second meaning which isn't relevant here, but at least is neutral too). If anybody has a better formulation they are welcome to propose it, but due to my limited English vocabulary I haven't been able to find some suitable adjectival term dangling precisely in the middle of the pitch dark void between "fake" and "assumed".
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| NewLanguageGuy Groupie France youtube.com/NewLangu Joined 4606 days ago 74 posts - 134 votes Speaks: English* | Message 23 of 27 05 October 2012 at 2:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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If I make an effort to "act" like a native speaker, am I a fraud or simply pronouncing the language as my interlocutors would expect to hear it pronounced?
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| alang Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 7220 days ago 563 posts - 757 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 24 of 27 05 October 2012 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | ||
I believe it depends on the intention in real life. From what I have read Wulfgar does not distinguish the difference between the people who are using comedy sketches to the people who have had dubious reputation from this forum. It would be similar to calling actors who use different dialects frauds, as they are not really native speakers. One could go even further and point out all actors are frauds, as they are not really what they portray in the films. (Ex. profession, nationality, aliens) I am sure this sounds ridiculous, but this is how I am interpreting the posts from Wulfgar. Wulfgar, Can you clarify your meaning of fraud and your intentions in this thread? 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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