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| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4522 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes  Studies: German | Message 17 of 24 20 January 2015 at 11:35am | IP Logged | |||||
Sadly the only used-paperback copy available on Amazon is $515. :( And Amazon.de has a couple of used copies for >700 Euros! Edited by patrickwilken on 20 January 2015 at 11:38am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5251 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 18 of 24 20 January 2015 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
Try Abe Books where it is only $10.60 shipped from the UK. Seek outside the Amazon Goliath and ye shall find. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Glarus Girl Groupie United Kingdom Joined 4564 days ago 50 posts - 108 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swiss-German | Message 19 of 24 21 January 2015 at 12:11am | IP Logged | |||||
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£7.73 on Amazon UK - can't get a link to work unfortunately.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6586 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 20 of 24 21 January 2015 at 2:38am | IP Logged | |||||
TBH, I'm not sure you're going to find it useful. It's mostly for those who've done explicit grammar and vocabulary study but fail in real life situations. It's more about "leveling up" than activating what you learned through input. In your case, maybe Katò Lomb's book can be helpful? I've not read it yet but her method seems even more extreme than ours maybe. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| carlyd Groupie United States Joined 3978 days ago 94 posts - 138 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish | Message 21 of 24 21 January 2015 at 6:43am | IP Logged | |||||
That is for the 2003 edition. Amazon has copies of the 2013 edition for $11. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4522 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 22 of 24 21 January 2015 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Abe books looks really cool. Thanks for the link!
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| shk00design Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4433 days ago 747 posts - 1123 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French | Message 23 of 24 22 January 2015 at 7:41am | IP Logged | |||||
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When it comes to reading material, most people can pick up the text and look up words & phrases.
Conversations different. You need to pick up the sound patterns to figure out what is being said by the speaker(s). In a real conversation, people don't always begin with standard phrases & replies out of a phrase book like "Bonjour, comment ça va?" as in French. A discussion can be on any topic at random. If you don't know enough words & phrases, you can lose the context of the whole conversation. Like the other day I was listening to a program on local Chinese radio on skincare during the winter. If you listen to the same program frequently, you may pick up on the format of the discussion or roughly what will be discussed. Otherwise as a new listener, you filter through all the different sounds to make sense out of what was just said. Even if you don't know every word, if you can pick up a few familiar ones, you can fill in roughly what the conversation is all about. I know someone who was educated in English many years ago from another country. She had no trouble writing in English in Canada but would occasionally stumble on words when talking. The only way to improve on conversation is to talk with native speakers. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4522 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 24 of 24 22 January 2015 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
I read about half of Lomb's book when I was first starting out and it was certainly inspirational (as was the Antimoon/AJATT sites). Thanks for the nudge - I should go back and re-read (and finish) the book. Edited by patrickwilken on 22 January 2015 at 2:11pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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