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| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4527 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes  Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 17 of 24 18 August 2012 at 11:57am | IP Logged | |||||
Using material where most vocabulary is known, like 99% or so. You don't need NL subtitles for materials without much unknown vocabulary. I don't view watching movies as a vocabulary builder, rather as a listening comprehension exercise. I believe that there are more efficient ways of building your vocabulary than watching a movie. Your other points are certainly valid, with practice you might overcome the shortcomings. But why focus on practicing the method instead of just using a method that is efficient straight away? Edited by daegga on 18 August 2012 at 11:58am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5459 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 18 of 24 18 August 2012 at 12:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
Some of us have grown up with NL subtitles. We don't need extra practice and can use materials with NL subtitles straight away. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6603 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 19 of 24 18 August 2012 at 12:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
Knowing every word but not being able to understand a movie is an undesirable situation. It's much better to start having audio input early. Vocabulary and listening comprehension are just two of the benefits. You also need listening in order to develop a good pronunciation and just to get used to the language and the sound of it. Also, like extensive reading, extensive listening helps with the usage subtleties.
But yeah, if you don't already have those skills, they're not necessarily worth acquiring. Depends on whether you like movies in the first place and how early you want to start watching them. It's never too early. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5772 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 20 of 24 18 August 2012 at 10:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
Maybe because in some of my target languages I can't cherry-pick what I want to work with? Apart from that, I personally never experienced problems with using subtitles or them taking up too much of my attention, I just stated that when somebody does, it could easily be fixed with practice. (Always given that said person does not have dyslexia, auditory processing disorder or sensory integration disorder.) I stated it before, and I'll repeat it: Most of the time, watching movies and using similar content is "recreational" extensive language exposure for me. The aim is to use time that would be wasted otherwise (for example, in front of the TV without foreign language exposure), to be motivational, and to help with automatic comprehension/detection of subtleties and nuances of the language. For example, there might be a positive adjective in my target language that is often used ironically, and a synonym that people rather use in serious or polite situations. In a recent movie or TV show, this distinction will be made naturally and I have a chance to pick it up. But that distinction will most likely not be explained in any dictionary or introduced in a textbook or simplified content. And I personally happen to be the kind of person who learns from people speaking and interacting. Mirror neurons. I learn even more from directly speaking and interacting with them, but often that's not an easily available option at a given time. I pick up a lot of words and expressions from TV shows right from the start. Other people may not find the same true for them. But you can't decide before trying it out. Edited by Bao on 19 August 2012 at 5:34pm 6 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tiagocunha Diglot Newbie Brazil Joined 4868 days ago 24 posts - 27 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English Studies: French | Message 21 of 24 20 August 2012 at 10:40am | IP Logged | |||||
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In my experience, watching movies with TL subtitles increases listening comprehension.
But now I'm trying to NOT use English subs while I'm watching movies, however it depends on the movie's accent: recently I watched(without subtitles) Bridget Jones's diary without any effort, but when I tried to do that watching Trainspotting, it was almost impossible. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| KevinE Newbie Canada Joined 5133 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Hindi | Message 22 of 24 31 October 2012 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'm a native speaker of Canadian English and even I don't know what the hell is being said in Trainspotting. ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| rolf Senior Member United Kingdom improvingmydutch.blo Joined 6013 days ago 107 posts - 134 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch | Message 23 of 24 31 October 2012 at 7:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Wow, I'm amazed that I missed this thread.
I enjoy watching TV series and movies so when I started to learn Dutch I would use Dutch subs (you can get nearly all from nlondertitels.com). You can even download programs with hard-coded subs which is where I first came across them. I was scoffed at for watching in the "reverse way" by people who had probably never tried themselves. It helped to massively expand my vocabulary. It helped to naturally acquire a sense of sentence construction without reading any grammatical rules. True, the subs often don't match up. Not only are they simpler but sometimes the English is expressed entirely differently in the Dutch, maybe due to laziness on the part of the translator. But this does not matter because you know that when you see it. If anything, it shows you an alternative way to phrase something in the TL. By the way, I learned a great deal of idiomatic expressions this way too. And the best part is that it is translation of dialogue, regular, everyday conversations, extremely useful. Don't knock TL subs until you've tried them at the beginner stage. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| JJ-JUNIOR Triglot Newbie Brazil nideck.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5633 days ago 13 posts - 14 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC1, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: French, German | Message 24 of 24 01 December 2012 at 3:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't think any of them are damaging, dangerous or that it could do any harm to your
language skills. As it was previsouly said in this thread NL subtitles are a great LEARNING tool. Ideally, you should watch it with no subtitles whatsoever... Here's the thing: NL - Great tool, interesting comparison. TL - Pretty good if you have good knowledge in that language. No subs - Ideal scenario From my personal experience I see that we must force ourselves to watch it with no subs again and again and again and again..... so finally we'll get used to it. I learn a lot by listening to the radio and when I watch movies it becomes even easier. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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