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tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4654 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian
| Message 9 of 32 27 January 2015 at 6:03pm | IP Logged |
Go Greek! Challenging without being "impossible," Indo-European but off the "beaten path" of Romance / Germanic / Slavic, beautiful vacation destination, writing system that looks nice and is relatively straightforward to learn, long and interesting history.
That is what has been tempting me lately, anyway.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6586 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 10 of 32 27 January 2015 at 7:43pm | IP Logged |
daegga wrote:
With regard to Scandinavian languages, it depends on what you want to do with them.
literature --> probably Swedish, but any of the 3 major Scandinavian written standards
is fine. Swedish is easiest to get for free.
movies/tv --> Danish, with a big gap to Swedish (forget Norwegian, it's a side dish)
linguistic curiosity --> Norwegian
Assimil --> Swedish > Danish > Norwegian (Bokmål)
I agree that Danish has the most difficult pronunciation of the 3, but in the long run
it's easier than understanding all the variations in Norway. The difficulty lies mainly
in active language use, ie. pronouncing the words yourself. Understanding is
manageable.
Strong tendency to use standard or standard-near Danish.
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I think you're highly biased, being a native speaker of German with a knowledge of English and Swedish. Danish isn't easy to understand if you don't already understand another Scandinavian language.
However if we're speaking of comprehension, why not go for the whole trio?
And really, any Scandinavian language offers linguistic curiosity.
Greek is an interesting option too. The cyrillic alphabet was based on it and Russian has many loan words from it, though probably often from Biblical Greek and/or with the meaning changed.
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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4036 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch
| Message 11 of 32 27 January 2015 at 11:39pm | IP Logged |
Thank you guys ;)
Let's try to answer individually.
@nikolic993:
- wow, never thought about it! I would have a plus of learning 4 languages in one.
@Serpent:
- Focusing on understanding only Russian can be an idea, I'm worried about my brain ordering me to drop
everything else.
- Romance languages: well, that is chilling out to the extreme :) But actually I don't want to mess up my Spanish
with Catalan and Portuguese. Romanian can be an idea, but I read that Romanian cinema is pretty bad. Dutch has
also this issue.
- German and Afrikaans no, not until I speak Dutch decently.
- Tackling the trio Norwegian, Swedish and Danish: dammit! I said one XD Do you know that if I do start with the
scandinavian as a block 1) I have more or less to study starting from tomorrow 2) it still counts for one so I have to
add another one afterwards? :P This is so tempting. I can rationalize more by saying that I would gain a better
overview of English, my Dutch would be boosted by this and at the end I will be closer to Icelandic.
@Mooby:
- The non-rational approach unfortunately tends not to help me a lot. In the past I dropped every language I choose
just because it was beautiful or fascinating. My heart suggests me to learn pretty obscure languages but my brain
orders me to use my time in a practical way.
@tastyonions: hey! Greek is not a bad idea at all. The food is very tasty and I have a nice Greek restaurant at 1m
from my house. And I find Greek very fascinating also. I don't know anything about Greek cinema anyway.
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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6898 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
| Message 12 of 32 28 January 2015 at 12:35am | IP Logged |
In case you choose Swedish, don't think there are no dialects on TV - there are. In any show, series, movie and newscast you're likely to hear something that doesn't sound like your "language course Swedish".
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| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4878 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish
| Message 13 of 32 28 January 2015 at 1:08am | IP Logged |
tristano wrote:
I have some caveat for these two languages:
- presence of an Assimil course
- presence of interesting multimedia (podcasts, movies). Literature is a plus
- not a romance one
- not German / Russian / Mandarin
- goal achievable within 1 year of non-intensive study (20 minutes of Assimil per day in the beginning, 45m to 1.5h everyday of podcasts in the second stage
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Oh, fun, it's like a puzzle game! Looking at languages I've studied and flirted with over the years, I'd say:
Arabic
Assimil: One of their few bad courses
Interesting media and literature: movies, limited literature
Can learn in one year: fat chance
Indonesian
Assimil: yes
Interesting media and literature: limited
Can learn in one year: absolutely
Turkish
Assimil: yes, French base
Interesting media and literature: horrible movies, one decent historical soap opera, two famous writers, huge online presence
Can learn in one year: It would be a challenge
Japanese
Assimil: yes
Interesting media and literature: oh hell yes
Can learn in one year: see Arabic
Latin
Assimil: yes
Interesting media and literature: if you like the classics, hell yes
Can learn in one year: don't know
I'm surprised there's no Icelandic or Irish Assimil courses (I don't count the "On the Road" series). Either would also be a good choice. And I don't know enough about modern Greek to weigh in, but I learned basic tourist phrases once for a trip to Mykonos - and that alone put me heads and shoulders above every other visitor I met that summer.
Edited by kanewai on 28 January 2015 at 1:10am
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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5119 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe
| Message 14 of 32 28 January 2015 at 1:45am | IP Logged |
kanewai wrote:
Turkish
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Pretty subjective, but I've found lots of good, contemporary programming on Kanal D. It's all easily accessible from any region, too.
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| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4878 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish
| Message 15 of 32 28 January 2015 at 2:09am | IP Logged |
hrhenry wrote:
kanewai wrote:
Turkish
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Pretty subjective, but I've found lots of good, contemporary programming on Kanal D. It's all easily accessible from any region, too.
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mea culpa - I had a total mind fart there, and was only thinking of such gems as Turkish Star Wars. There is of course a whole generation of new Turkish directors like Nuri Bilge Ceylan (Winter Sleep), Zeki Demirkubuz, Fatih Akın (The Cut), and Uğur Yücel, among others.
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| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4998 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian
| Message 16 of 32 28 January 2015 at 2:05pm | IP Logged |
Scandinavian languages look like they might be just what you are looking for.
Or Slavic ones, such as Polish. There is quite a lot of good movies, lots of
literature, there is Assimil and other material as well.
Greek is a great idea, actually. :-)
From the Romance, have you considered Italian? It is quite different from Spanish and
French, I don't think it would mix that much with your Spanish, which is probably a
well founded fear when it comes to Catalan or Portuguese.
How about Hebrew? There is Assimil, I've heard the Modern Hebrew is not as hard to
learn as the biblical one, and there is less trouble with various dialects and
standards (surely less than with Arabic, perhaps less than with Norwegian) there are
interesting movies (I only know those that get to film festivals in Prague, I suppose
there is much more to be seen) and quite a lot of people around me have travelled to
Israel lately and were totally excited.
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