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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 41 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 12:10am | IP Logged | ||
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I mean there are seven consonants in Russian that change the vowels after them - you can never have a soft vowel following one of these seven - г к ш щ ч х ж.
I am just joking that they are ugly consonants, haha, if you pronounce them they sound quite harsh (one of the many reasons why I am not very fond of my own language is their overuse of the g and ch). So if the Russian language produces an ugly consonant, it changes the following vowel to a hard one! It's a mnemonic I guess :) If you form a plural or a genitive, if the stem ends in one of these consonants, you write и, NOT ы, is what I meant. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5326 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 42 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 12:23am | IP Logged | ||
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Ah, yes, now I see. I couldn't figure out what the ugly ones were :-)
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| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5218 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 43 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 12:39am | IP Logged | ||
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Doesn't it stand out? Even my Russian friends say that 'ж' looks like some kind of bug ;)
BTW tarvos, most people I have heard say that there are no 'soft' vowels, but 'soft-indicating' because it's the preceding consonant what becomes soft. May be that's a bit in the stickler camp but David Freedel (author of the famous Princeton Russian Course) said there were further reasons to think about it that way. I didn't get to that part yet though... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5048 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 44 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | ||
What do you mean? Жи ши are always spelt with и, although the pronunciation is жы, шы. Же,ше,це are apelt like this although pronounced жэ, шэ, цэ. Ча ща чу щу are always spelt like that and pronounced чя щя чю щю. Everything else is spelt as it is pronounced. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 45 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah but you don't spell it that way. You never write the soft vowels after one of these. It's a way to remember how to spell a word, it's got nothing really to do with pronunciation.
You can never write ы after an ugly letter. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5048 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 46 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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Is ы a soft vowel then?!
Кыш! An interjection, means "go away", usually applied to birds. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5548 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 47 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 2:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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My first new Russian word of the day: "кыш!" or "кш!" (shoo!) - спасибо Марк. :) Edited by Teango on 09 February 2012 at 2:43pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 48 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 2:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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ю е ё я и are soft from what I was taught,
and а э ы о у are hard. But I could be wrong. My point is, that those seven trigger the spelling change. But I think e is an exception. I'm not sure? Ah, my reference says the following: The 7 Consonant Rule. Also remember that after к г х (velars) and ш ж щ ч (hushes) never write ы but always и, e.g. студенты "students" but студентки "coeds", лифтёры "elevator operators" but лифтёрши "women elevator operators". It only holds for that one vowel. I see. Edited by tarvos on 09 February 2012 at 2:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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