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| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4999 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes  Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 9 of 11 10 December 2014 at 12:22am | IP Logged |
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Well, that is where FSI and some other resources are different. The Assimil's I've
seen (can't speak about any Italian one so far) didn't have a good enough pronunciation chapter. They catch up with most students during the first lessons with the transcript and audio, I believe, but the chapter per se tends not to be something awesome. And another factor is that even a mediocre pronunciation chapter (most pronunciation chapters I've ever seen in courses were like that) are boring, annoying and with too few exemples. It is annoying to stick with them as long as you need, in my opinion. Perhaps she just needs more practice of the basics but with a different material. The FSI approach to teaching pronunciation seemed awesome to me. It was pretty intensive, demanding but less boring than the standard pronunciation chapters anywhere else. I wasn't suggesting learning lyrics by heart (at least for now). Just more exposure through music and the opportunity to hear more exemples with the lyrics easily available to read together with the song (and later perhaps sing along), that could help, in my opinion. It is surely possible the trouble lies purely in more sessions/repetitions being needed. As I said, I trully believe most people do not stick with the pronunciation chapters for long enough. Either they cover for the hurry later or they keep making mistakes for the rest of their lives. If you find a way to make those repetitions bearable, it could be a solution with no more tricks needed. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| garyb Triglot Senior Member ScotlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5197 days ago 1468 posts - 2413 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, French Studies: Spanish | Message 10 of 11 12 December 2014 at 9:38pm | IP Logged |
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There are pronunciation problems and there are pronunciation problems... This isn't a
case of subtle things like alveolar instead of dental consonants or pronouncing a vowel too open; it's getting very basic stuff wrong. "ci", "ce", "chi" and "che" are always pronounced a certain way, the opposite from what an English speaker might expect, so it sounds like she just needs to learn that particular rule instead of pronouncing them the English way. For many people, pronunciation is something that has to be explained, and they can't just pick it up from listening. I cringe whenever I hear about how Pimsleur, for example, is "good for pronunciation". FSI Italian has a bad reputation for a reason, yet I found that the first few chapters explained important aspects of the pronunciation, including che/ce etc., very well. Other than that I'm struggling to find any half-decent resources. Most "Italian pronunciation for English speakers" lists that I've found just don't explain things very well. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4697 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 11 of 11 13 December 2014 at 12:26am | IP Logged |
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Pronunciation to an extent is picked up by osmosis, but this is only a sensible course of
action when you know the basics of how to pronounce things in a foreign language, and more importantly, how it correlates to orthography. There is also the problem that English-language manuals seem to think Anglophones need their hand held when learning pronunciation, when it doesn't exactly help them. Ci is ci and you can learn to pronounce it. Maybe not perfectly, but more than close enough. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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