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| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4523 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes  Studies: German | Message 9 of 24 01 October 2014 at 11:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I have serious doubts that you can really avoid subvocalising. Are their any peer reviewed studies showing significant increases in reading speeds?
Nearly all the speed reading claims have been debunked over the years. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5756 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 10 of 24 01 October 2014 at 11:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I think I wrote 'in the context of language acquisition' and 'reading for comprehension'. I mean reading a text with a relatively high amount of previously unknown information. That may be content of the text or linguistic information. I skim a lot when I want to find out if the content of a text is relevant to what I want to know or when I am looking for where I stopped reading before. Nevertheless skimming more does not improve my reading speed in my weaker languages. Deliberately skipping function words in a second language doesn't seem to be as effective for increasing reading speed is as learning how to process them automatically as parts of a larger phrase is.
Not for me? I subvocalize even at my top reading speeds and when reading any of the languages I can actually read in. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6587 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 24 02 October 2014 at 1:02am | IP Logged | ||||||||
And have you tried the specific methods mentioned in the article? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5756 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 12 of 24 02 October 2014 at 2:30am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Did you mean the entry on skimming? Doing it with a timer? No, I haven't practiced skimming with a timer. I've never seen a need for that. I skim to assess difficulty of a text to get a picture of how long it'll take me to read it thoroughly, I skim to figure out whether I am interested in the content, I skim to find specific information. You could argue that because skimming is such an integral part of my reading routine I may not be aware of its positive effects, but I still stand with my previous claim that I personally experience more improvement in a shorter period of time when doing intensive work with texts, espectially copying them by hand, memorizing texts general or learning song lyrics in particular or doing a simplified deconstruction of semantic dependencies like I learnt it in Latin class. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6899 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 13 of 24 02 October 2014 at 10:04am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Alright, I'm not talking about speed reading (nor skimming), just reading at a pace where you:
read chunks instead of word by word "know" what's important and what you can ignore. I know it may sound like terrible advice, and while some great authors have a very descriptive language, it would just take forever if I were to sit down and read a book word by word and not keep going unless I was sure I understood every single nuance perfectly. That's not the same as speed reading, skimming, or even rushing through a novel for the sake of it. It's focusing on the key points. Actually, I'm not sure that don't subvocalize (and in fact, I'm not sure it's detrimental). However, I do know that I usually have some soreness in my throat and tongue after listening to narrative audio on my mp3 player, as if I've been unconsciusly subvocalizing. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| rdearman Senior Member United Kingdom rdearman.orgRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5226 days ago 881 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French, Mandarin | Message 14 of 24 02 October 2014 at 10:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I don't think I ever gave anyone advice to "skim" or "speed read". I just said you should try to not sub-vocalise. A quick scan on Google Scholar indicates in most experiments sub-vocalisation does indeed slow reading speed however it can help comprehension by 5-10%.
There is some older stuff about auditory learners require subvocalistaion while visual learners don't, however most of the NLP stuff has been debunked. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6587 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 15 of 24 02 October 2014 at 2:07pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
And especially the GLOSS lessons and the books that train different kinds of reading. I definitely agree that intensive work is useful, but it may be an overkill if you mostly care about reading. Edited by Serpent on 02 October 2014 at 2:08pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6899 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 16 of 24 02 October 2014 at 5:52pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Rdearman: I wasn't saying you suggested any of that, I just tried to explain what I really meant (in case someone else thinks I skim books and/or deliberately speed up my reading in order to break a record).
I've also heard/seen some people suggest subvocalization (possibly with a certain learning style in mind). I can somehow understand the point of it though, but as soon as one is able to read "visually", I can't see why one should go on with subvocalization. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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