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| Johntm Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5424 days ago 616 posts - 725 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 9 of 13 26 February 2010 at 5:37am | IP Logged | |||||
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| genini1 Senior Member United States Joined 5470 days ago 114 posts - 161 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 10 of 13 26 February 2010 at 6:55am | IP Logged | |||||
It's like an Escher painting complaining about complaining about complaining. On a side note how do feminists view languages with gender actually used in the language like how Madchen in German is neuter and a hammer is masculine. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lynxrunner Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States crittercryptics.com Joined 5924 days ago 361 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish*, French Studies: Russian, Swedish, Haitian Creole | Message 11 of 13 26 February 2010 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
The 'gender' in those languages is arbitrary, as far as I can tell (to the point that it changes between closely related languages; look at 'milk' in Spanish and 'milk' in Portuguese, French, and Italian). Sometimes it has to do with how a noun ends (Russian) and other times it's more of a memorizing game (Romance languages). Some people have tried to find correlations between the gender of a noun and its size/strength/prettiness/whatever, but I haven't found any good conclusive theory up until now. Most feminists that understand this probably wouldn't care. There are always small fringe groups that want something odd, but I suspect that most feminists would not be concerned with this. I can't tell what you, say, Hindi or Russian or Spanish feminists have to say on the issue of language gender... gender is much more deeply rooted in those languages than in English, from what I can tell. In Russian, you cannot conjugate the past tense without revealing someone's gender. In Hindi, you can't conjugate the present tense without revealing someone's gender. In Spanish, you can't use adjectives without revealing someone's gender. I have seen some roundabout ways to get past this (in Spanish, you could say "Latin@" if you want to refer to Latinos and Latinas). I don't read anything about this in Hindi, Russian, or Spanish. If you're honestly interested, I could find this article about how the Spanish deal with the subject of gender for professional names (Businessman vs Business woman, actor vs actress) compared to the Italians. Also, could we please prevent this thread from turning into a political debate? I can see it taking turns towards that. You lot can always discuss feminism somewhere else. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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| The Blaz Senior Member Canada theblazblog.blogspotRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5602 days ago 120 posts - 176 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Swahili, French, Sign Language, Esperanto | Message 13 of 13 27 February 2010 at 7:44am | IP Logged | |||||
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In the book 'The Story of French' there's an interesting discussion about feminizing
profession names, and the resistance to any new changes, including from the female head of the French Academy. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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