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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes  Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 49 of 87 13 April 2009 at 3:22pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Agreed.
If people such as Aya and I make up X% of the population, even for fairly small X, that's still quite a lot of people. On a really good day, I can concentrate for 17 hours with quite minimal breaks for things like eating. I find the tendency you and slucido have of discounting anything that you think isn't achievable by your 'average' (or, as you paint them, far below average) person to be extremely anti-intellectual and counter-productive. It's much better to map out what can be done; at that point, if you want to figure out who can do it and who can't, it's one thing. To refuse to map it out because not everyone can do it is a terrible loss.
The same techniques most certainly cannot always be used. For instance, my favorite way of dealing with books (whether novels or textbooks) is to read them cover to cover at one sitting; I find this gives me much better retention, lets me notice the redundancies, linkages, and contradictions more, etc than reading the same book in several sessions does. I haven't been able to do much more than 6 hours of L-R in a day (yet) - but it's not at all the same thing as doing one hour a day for 6 days, in terms of results... Some techniques are very time-bound, and only work with sessions of certain lengths - some top out at 15-45 minutes (or less!), and others require lots of hours together. Other techniques are more flexible in this regard.
I strongly suspect there is, though I have no data to back this up which would satisfy you. Edited by Volte on 13 April 2009 at 3:24pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6677 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 50 of 87 13 April 2009 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
What are you talking about??? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Steve Kaufmann Newbie Canada thelinguist.blogs.co Joined 5707 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes | Message 51 of 87 13 April 2009 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
That is just the point. The flash cards at LingQ are based on words and phrases that come from context the learner has read and/or listened to. The examples of these words and phrases in use are captured for review. I have always said that the review of words and phrases from one's reading and listening is effective in increasing attentiveness. So is being corrected. It does not mean that you will learn the words by doing flash cards, nor get it right after being corrected, but rather that your attentiveness will sometimes increase. I have also said that I spend only 5% of my time on such activities, but if I were more intense (as before when I studied Mandarin), I would do more of it. Given the choice I prefer to listen and read. It is easier to "stay on task" with them because they ar more portable and more fun. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Steve Kaufmann Newbie Canada thelinguist.blogs.co Joined 5707 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes | Message 52 of 87 13 April 2009 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
This is another example of the childish petulance that I remember here at this Forum. I think that there is a lot of material at my blog about language learning, which many people find encouraging and informative. I occasionally mention LingQ because I believe in it. It is quite obvious that I would like others to like LingQ and use it. There is no real need for josht's rhetorical question, and it was not me that raised the subject of LingQ in the first place here. I have never hidden my association with LingQ and at this Forum have contributed my views in good faith. I have never understood the pettiness that I sometimes encounter here. The head of FSI thinks people can only learn by spending 4 hours a day in a classroom, I think LingQ and self-study are at least as effective, and this Forum runs ads to keep itself going...and such are the ways of the world. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Steve Kaufmann Newbie Canada thelinguist.blogs.co Joined 5707 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes | Message 54 of 87 13 April 2009 at 5:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Not many people would be interested, nor would it have much to do with language learning. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6677 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 55 of 87 13 April 2009 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Why don't you talk about the subject instead of Ad hominem attacks. Well, maybe personal attacks are useful if you write them in your target language... Maybe some people get the flow and focus state using this "method". Edited by slucido on 13 April 2009 at 5:24pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6677 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 56 of 87 13 April 2009 at 8:02pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Regarding LingQ, I am not using it, but it reminds me of my own method.
I began learning English around eight years ago by reading interesting content on the Internet and using free on line dictionaries. My interest was the content and not learning English, but the side effect was that I succeeded and now I can read pretty well. That's interesting because years before I was not successful. My problem was that I was developing my reading skills, but I had few listening skills. However, my listening skills improved only by reading intensively for four years. Reading and listening are different skills, but it seems there are a few connections between them. In the last two years, I have listened more, but my method have been the same, listening interesting content. Regarding writing, my method is basically the same. I write about subjects I have interest of. So, basically, most of the time my method is something similar to lingQ. Edited by slucido on 13 April 2009 at 8:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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