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bporcher Newbie Canada Joined 6560 days ago 20 posts - 23 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Spanish, German
| Message 9 of 50 23 August 2009 at 8:43am | IP Logged |
To quote an article on Kató Lomb:
"Her keyword was most of all interest: the word, coming from Latin interesse (originally meaning "to be between"),
has a double meaning, referring to the material profit or the mental attraction, together: motivation. This means
that I can answer these questions: "How much am I interested in it? What do I want with it? What does it mean for
me? What good is it for me?" She didn't believe in the so-called language talent. She tended to express the
language skill with a fraction, with motivation in the numerator (through which we can pinch off some ten minutes
a day even with the busiest job), and inhibition in the denominator (the fear of starting to speak, of being clumsy,
of being laughed at). In her conviction, the stronger the motivation is within us, and the more we can put aside
inhibition, the sooner we can take possession of the language."
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6705 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 10 of 50 23 August 2009 at 5:29pm | IP Logged |
I just postpone speaking in public until I don't have to fear making a fool of myself.
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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5849 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 11 of 50 23 August 2009 at 7:44pm | IP Logged |
I allow myself to make mistakes and I speak right away, if people give me the chance to use a foreign language. I have never been shy about speaking foreign languages.
Fasulye
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| whoa182 Newbie United Kingdom matts-cr.blogspot.co Joined 5580 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 12 of 50 23 August 2009 at 7:56pm | IP Logged |
If i'm just sending messages using email, or using facebook to talk using text then I don't mind even though I've only been learning Spanish for over 1 month. A native Spanish speaker I talk to is kind enough to help me out and she helps me correct things and already pointed out a few things that could have led to somewhat embarrassing situations.
Now eventually we'll talk over the phone and/or skype but I can already see what will happen, I will forget everything I had learned. I said to her that I'll try talk to her around 3 months and talk by voice + chat at same time, but I know i'm going to be so nervous. I have no experience in learning another language... so I feel quite shy and always question myself on everything.
Edited by whoa182 on 23 August 2009 at 7:58pm
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| Zeitgeist21 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5647 days ago 156 posts - 192 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French
| Message 13 of 50 23 August 2009 at 8:49pm | IP Logged |
I realy disagree with Healing332, I speak German all the time but I really think I should stop for a while and do some intensive listening.
My ability to communicate is pretty strong, I've spent the last week staying with a family in Germany that I'd never met before, made friends with strangers here and everything but the problem with speaking alot is that, unless you're speaking really slowly, people won't correct all your mistakes; just the really big ones that get in the way of comprehension or have some double meaning that makes it funny. And the more I speak the more I get used to the mistakes I make, and this goes especially for my accent. I'm convinced that intensive audio input while having a silent period in a language can get you a very good accent, perfect if done for long enough because of people who I've met who have done it. All of these people have done it unintentionally however, usually with English having lots of exposure through media but having no one to speak to.
I know that enough input can overcome the errors in speaking but with accent it's way to easy to get comfortable with your accent when you speak alot and it's easy for people to understand, and while this is fine if that's what you want I'm aiming for perfection =D Maybe one day I'll get there xD
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| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5671 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin
| Message 14 of 50 23 August 2009 at 9:01pm | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
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When does that fear every go away? Even when I am very comfortable with a language, I always seem to make a fool of myself. The most common example is when I am in a group setting and all the locals talk about TV shows, or breakfast cereals, or famous people whom I have never heard of, and when they start dropping into very deep slang as a form of bonding. Many times I have started out pretty confidently, only to eventually withdraw into myself in these social settings feeling like I am an alien on another planet.
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| healing332 Senior Member United States Joined 5622 days ago 164 posts - 211 votes
| Message 15 of 50 23 August 2009 at 9:01pm | IP Logged |
I should note that I also do intense listening daily in addition to the speaking..
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| lancemanion Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5574 days ago 150 posts - 166 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Thai Studies: French, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 16 of 50 23 August 2009 at 10:05pm | IP Logged |
I believe that one should have a balanced approach. This includes speaking, beginning very early on. As others
point out, to become a good speaker, one must speak a lot. And everyone starts out shakily.
This being said, I used to be terrified the first few dozen hours of speaking. As I get older, and my language
learning techniques get better, I'm more confident. With my current language, French, I began conversing about 3
months in. I was the least shy I'd ever been starting a language, and my partner, a prospective tutor, was
impressed.
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