pfwillard Pro Member United States Joined 5701 days ago 169 posts - 205 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map
| Message 17 of 50 24 August 2009 at 12:41am | IP Logged |
Shadowing while walking swiftly outdoors (see Professor Arguelles site for a video demonstration) seems more and more like something I need to be doing. I think that might be more productive than randomly attacking foreigners on the street for practice.
Hiring a tutor for conversation might also speed things up considerably--I do feel a bit awkward about that but view it as a necessary step.
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Raчraч Ŋuɲa Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5820 days ago 154 posts - 233 votes Speaks: Bikol languages*, Tagalog, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, Russian, Japanese
| Message 18 of 50 24 August 2009 at 2:17pm | IP Logged |
numerodix wrote:
Speaking has always been the weakest aspect of any language to me.
Originally, with English, it took a long long time to get fluent for real, despite
reading and writing at a level far above that. Then with French, where I never mastered
the grammar, I would never speak outside of class because I felt so pathetic about it.
And I didn't want to be one of those people who make lots of mistakes in their speech
and seem to be careless/oblivious about it.
But beyond that, the problem is the interaction. Even if I can say something correctly,
I fear the response will come back in a form I don't understand and what then. After
all, there's a pretty wide gap between reading and listening, dialects and accents
thrown into the mix. I'm sure that kind of thinking is quite detrimental though, but
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In my case, my vocabulary is still below 1K, and I haven't mastered the
conjugation/inflection yet, and advanced grammar subjects. That makes me shy in
speaking. But I am not shy when it comes to writing, as I have a lot of time to compose
things correctly and shamelessly requested to be corrected as well.
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Zeitgeist21 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5647 days ago 156 posts - 192 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French
| Message 19 of 50 24 August 2009 at 5:27pm | IP Logged |
I wasn't saying what you're doing is wrong Healing332 just that I disagree with the statement "Those who do not speak are afraid. Actually it is all ego and pride."
I'm not saying that a silent period is the only way just that it's a way, and not just an excuse.And it's something I should really get round to doing...
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Mujerc Newbie United States Joined 5650 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Studies: English
| Message 20 of 50 24 August 2009 at 9:33pm | IP Logged |
Yes I'm like that .I'm very afraid b/c .I don't want to look dump or something,and I've been told I speak Spanish very well by alot of natives.................
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Kurkko Diglot Newbie Finland Joined 5677 days ago 21 posts - 23 votes Studies: Swedish, Finnish*, English Studies: German, Dutch, Danish, Icelandic
| Message 21 of 50 24 August 2009 at 10:20pm | IP Logged |
I love to talk (if I have something to say) and speaking different languages is amazing... If the one I'm talking to understands. My English has improved greatly after I downloaded skype. I learn things if I can speak them aloud, so for me it'd be wonderful to have someone who'd want to speak Icelandic/Danish/Swedish with me!
... Unfortunately, I find it frightening to go to talk with someone who speaks the language with a native fluency. I've already gotten over it with English, since I've spoken to so many native English speakers... However, I don't dare to talk to my Swedish friends in Swedish... I know I could improve it if I only got rid of my fear of not being understood.
... Actually, I signed up for a course where I can speak Swedish with other Finns. I hope it'd help. :D
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Marcos Ortega Newbie Bolivia Joined 5461 days ago 8 posts - 15 votes
| Message 22 of 50 14 December 2009 at 10:38pm | IP Logged |
Splog wrote:
The most common example is when I am in a group setting and all the locals talk about TV shows, or breakfast cereals, or famous people whom I have never heard of, and when they start dropping into very deep slang as a form of bonding. |
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But this happens even in our native language! And, heck, it doesn't even need to be in another country. How many times have you felt like an "alien" when your local friends start talking about topics you don't care about? Have you ever hung out with women and experienced the utter boredom of hearing them talk about colors you didn't even know existed? :)
My point is, the feeling you mentioned will never go away, no matter how awesome your second language skills are. The best thing you can do is try to get them to speak about a topic you understand about ("Hey guys, I read in a magazine that...", "guess who I found yesterday...").
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Marcos Ortega Newbie Bolivia Joined 5461 days ago 8 posts - 15 votes
| Message 23 of 50 14 December 2009 at 10:40pm | IP Logged |
(Double post, please delete.)
Edited by Marcos Ortega on 14 December 2009 at 10:41pm
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burgler09 Diglot Groupie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6050 days ago 72 posts - 88 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese
| Message 24 of 50 15 December 2009 at 5:49am | IP Logged |
Seems boring, whats the point in language learning if you are afraid to talk? The second I learn my first words i'm looking to talk my target language. Granted it can be embaressing before you do it, i just say that i'm very very new but i like speaking the language. everyone is extremely friendly and its always great for laughs.
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