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| Frenchpro Triglot Newbie United States francetravelandfood. Joined 5404 days ago 29 posts - 38 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Korean | Message 25 of 28 09 February 2010 at 5:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As far as I was taught, the real, most pure Spanish is the Castillian. That's right.
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| Sprachjunge Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 7167 days ago 368 posts - 548 votes  Speaks: English*, GermanC2 Studies: Spanish, Russian | Message 26 of 28 09 February 2010 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
With all due respect, I can assure you that I have mastered my native tongue, English, yet there exist English accents where I do not understand more than 50-60% of a given utterance. This is really a most surprising statement. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| victor-osorio Diglot Groupie Venezuela Joined 5434 days ago 73 posts - 129 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: Italian | Message 27 of 28 10 February 2010 at 4:50am | IP Logged | |||||
Well, I've found this information which I think could help me support my point: 1) Wikipedia says that: Idioma español. En el mundo hispanohablante no hay un solo dialecto de prestigio: en vez de eso, la norma culta de la variedad utilizada en la capital es generalmente el dialecto de prestigio de cada país (por ejemplo, el español peruano ribereño en Perú, o el español rioplatense en Argentina y Uruguay), aunque en el continente americano se tiende a considerar a las variedades mexicana o colombiana cultas como las de mayor prestigio. Los doblajes y muchos medios de comunicación hispanoamericanos tienden a aplicar una cierta estandarización en cuanto a la dicción, pronunciación y léxico, algo que a veces se conoce como "español estándar". En España, usualmente se considera al castellano vallisoletano y palentino como las formas dialectales de mayor pureza y prestigio; el castellano de los medios de comunicación está formado en base a las variedades dialectales del norte de España, evitando localismos léxicos y respetando la pronunciación y entonación de dichas zonas. El resto de variedades dialectales (castellano andaluz, canario, dialectos hispanoamericanos,...) son vistas como localismos o exotismos. Quick translation: Spanish language. In the hispanic world there's not only one dialect of prestige: instead, the articulated variety of each country's capital is considered the dialect of prestige (e.g, the Ribereño Peruvian Spanish in Peru, or Rioplatense Spanish in Argentina and Urugay), even though in the American continent usually are the mexican and colombian varieties the ones considered more prestigious. The dubbing industry and several Hispanoamerican massmedia usually apply a particular standarization when it comes to diction, pronunciation and vocabulary, something that is sometimes known as "standard Spanish". In Spain, usually the Vallisoletane and Palentine Castillian Spanish are considered the dialectal forms more pure and prestigeous; the Castillian of the massmedia it's based on the varieties of Northern Spain, avoiding regionalisms and taking as a guide the pronunciation and entonation of these area. The rest of dialectal varieties (Andaluz Castillian, Canarian, Hispanoamerican dialects) are view either as exotisms or localisms. You can check it here: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialecto_de_prestigio We all know Wikipedia it's not a reliable source since it's made by its own users, but it seems well documented to me AND its written and corrected on a very frequent basis by real native speakers of Spanish. 2) Read this academic article about the difficulty of telling which one is the "ideal" dialect of Spanish. The article states that Spanish, as German, is one of the few languages in which there's not only one, but several ideal dialects. http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:aX- fYrvz4hEJ:www.saber.ula.ve/bitstream/123456789/27676/1/artic ulo20.pdf+dialecto+de+prest igio+espa%C3%B1ol&cd=4&hl=es&ct=clnk&gl=ve To read the second part of the article you have to scroll down and then scroll again to right. Edited by victor-osorio on 10 February 2010 at 4:57am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5455 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 28 of 28 10 February 2010 at 10:47am | IP Logged | |||||
The article confirms both your and my point of view. It confirms that Spanish is a pluricentric language with more than one prestigious dialect. It also confirms my view that it is the Castillian of nothern Spain, not the Castillian of central Spain, which is traditionally considered the most prestigious form of Peninsular Spanish. I mentioned Valladolid and Burgos; the article Valladolid (vallisoletano = from Valladolid) and Palencia. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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