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| zhiguli Senior Member Canada Joined 6446 days ago 176 posts - 221 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Mandarin | Message 9 of 14 06 February 2010 at 9:44am | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't understand why people are putting Turkish or Finnish in the same category as Korean or Chinese. The former languages are quite far away from the latter and Japanese, geographically and culturally speaking.
The only similarities they have (with Korean/Japanese) are in the grammar, but even here the actual mechanics of the cases/verb conjugation are quite different. Not to mention that the former languages also have vowel harmony. And there is almost no common vocabulary (apart from a handful of words that could just as easily be coincidence). Turkish, for example, gets about 30% of its words from Arabic/Persian, half that amount from European languages (mostly French) and next to nothing from Chinese.
This I doubt. Though it's true that the amount of cognates between the two languages is a good deal less than, say, between Romance or Germanic languages. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6773 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 10 of 14 06 February 2010 at 12:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I may have been wrong about Finnish (I don't know much about the language), but I know both Japanese and Turks
who have studied each others' languages and say they're quite easy to learn. I know a Turkish student who passed JLPT-1 after only two years in Japan. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Izual Diglot Newbie Poland Joined 5930 days ago 16 posts - 16 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Russian, Japanese | Message 11 of 14 06 February 2010 at 2:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
Umm, I just wanted to mark a word that indicates subjunctive mood (I was taught at Uni this way). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| hombre gordo Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5588 days ago 184 posts - 247 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Portuguese, Korean | Message 12 of 14 06 February 2010 at 4:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, Finnish has a reputation for being majorly difficult. However, I think passing JLPT-1 after 2 years in Japan is normal for just about any language background. That is not such a surprise. JLPT-1 is realistically quite passable with 2 years of study in the country as long as the learner doesnt neglect Kanji. My point is that I dont think Turkish speakers have a major advantage for learning Japanese (not compared to Koreans or Chinese), but they still find the grammar easier than more Europeans. However Turkish and Japanese share virtually no lexical similarity (except maybe a few coincidences) making vocabulary memorisation a difficult task. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6773 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 13 of 14 07 February 2010 at 9:27am | IP Logged | |||||
I must be stupid then. I failed JLPT-1 after 3 years of daily study living in Japan. (I passed the kanji parts, but that's the easy part of the test.) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| hombre gordo Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5588 days ago 184 posts - 247 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Portuguese, Korean | Message 14 of 14 08 February 2010 at 6:02am | IP Logged | |||||
Failing a test like that doesnt make you stupid. It is possible to pass it with two years of study. However, with a test like that, no matter how much you study, nerves can screw you up. JLPT is a very nerve-racking test. This is especially true of the listening comprehension part. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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