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| unityandoutside Diglot Groupie United States Joined 6016 days ago 94 posts - 149 votes  Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: Latin, Mandarin | Message 17 of 33 11 February 2010 at 7:09am | IP Logged | |||||
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Seems that people are advising you to learn the language that they learned first first. This is a pretty good indication that you should just learn the one you're most interested in first. They'll all come with their own unique advantages or disadvantages.
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| hombre gordo Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5585 days ago 184 posts - 247 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Portuguese, Korean | Message 18 of 33 11 February 2010 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
Captain, Could you recommend some good Chinese materials from a Japanese perspective? I am looking for learning materials for the Characters and vocabulary as well as some general intergrated learning materials. Thanks Hombre Gordo Edited by hombre gordo on 11 February 2010 at 12:43pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| catharsis Bilingual Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5434 days ago 12 posts - 12 votes Speaks: English*, Korean* | Message 19 of 33 11 February 2010 at 5:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
Well, I'm not asking this for myself, but for some friends of mine. Of course they all have their own individual interests, but overall the interest level for the three languages are pretty even, and I think they'd prefer working together as a group. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6770 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 20 of 33 11 February 2010 at 5:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'm just dabbling in Mandarin for now, so all I've tried is NHK's とっさの中国語 (I bought the book, CD, and iPod app). It's light, easy to work through, and covers a number of useful sentence patterns. However, I frequently browse the Chinese section in bookstores and there seems to be a ton of materials out there. I'll probably try out some of those learning- Chinese magazines that come with bilingual articles and audio CDs soon. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| ericspinelli Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5785 days ago 249 posts - 493 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Italian | Message 21 of 33 11 February 2010 at 5:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
As I don't study Chinese I've never looked at it, but I would assume ALC's 中国語ジャーナル is of high quality like most of their other products. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| andee Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 7079 days ago 681 posts - 724 votes 3 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Korean, French | Message 22 of 33 12 February 2010 at 4:18am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm with the others... J > K > C would be ideal in my opinion even though I'm on the K > J > C path.
One of the big reasons for my opinion is the kanji factor. With Japanese, kanji is needed whereas in Korean, hanja is 'optional'. Having the kanji reading/writing background will help you down the line with both Korean and Chinese study. No matter which order you learn though, on the speaking/listening level, the cognates between Sino-origin vocabulary help build a large bridge in vocabulary acquisition. I imagine Japanese to Korean is relatively straight forward since I'm finding Japanese that way through finding similarities with Korean... Plus I guess the fact that I only have a Korean/Japanese dictionary helps somewhat. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| JBI Diglot Groupie Canada Joined 5693 days ago 46 posts - 67 votes Speaks: Modern Hebrew, English* Studies: Italian, Mandarin, French | Message 23 of 33 12 February 2010 at 5:06am | IP Logged | |||||
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With those three it doesn't matter. Chinese and Japanese and Korean are all quite difficult to master at any rate. Chinese, I think is the one to begin with, because once you hammer out all those characters, and learn the Classical language you'll have access to the early Classical Japanese, for the most part, and Korean up until the introduction of Hangul. As for the other two - Japanese has probably the most resources, but is hard because of the characters, whereas Korean has fewer resources, is harder to pronounce, which is hard for some people I guess, and has tricky grammar, similar though supposedly more complex than Japanese.
That being said though, everything is dependent on the learner.Some people are better at grammar than others, while others have no problem with pronouncing, or others no problem with memorizing Kanja/Hanzi/Hanja. It really is so relative. For instance, now Oxbridge is throwing out big amounts of cash into Korean studies - which means more resources very soon. The US is also throwing even more cash into Chinese studies - what this all means is a more coherent set of resources being made available. The landscape is shifting rather rapidly. As for which one is harder or easier, it makes no real difference, since such a question cannot possibly be answered in a forum debate, as it would generally require people proficient in all three to verify, as well as a greater sample, besides the fact that it is almost clearly a subjective thing. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Yukamina Senior Member Canada Joined 6266 days ago 281 posts - 332 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean, French | Message 24 of 33 12 February 2010 at 5:11am | IP Logged | |||||
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I leaning towards saving Korean for last. It doesn't really use Chinese characters to make the J/C loanwords transparent, so having a larger store of J/C vocab and the pronunciations that go along with that might help make up for that. That doesn't quite make sense, but basically the word "hanja/한자" might be easier to learn, when you already know "kanji/漢字" and "hanzi/漢字". Between Japanese and Chinese it's no mystery since they share the writing.
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