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| John Smith Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6044 days ago 396 posts - 542 votes  Speaks: English*, Czech*, Spanish Studies: German | Message 1 of 8 13 February 2010 at 3:33pm | IP Logged |
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I have recently started learning French at home. I'm not sure how to approach French pronunciation. Without a native speaker/advanced learner I have no idea whether my pronunciation is good or not. Any suggestions? What do people who study other languages that are hard to pronounce like Chinese do? Maybe I should just study Italian and wait till I have access to someone who speaks French. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6770 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 2 of 8 13 February 2010 at 3:49pm | IP Logged |
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I'd hire a tutor. There a French speakers everywhere.
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| John Smith Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6044 days ago 396 posts - 542 votes Speaks: English*, Czech*, Spanish Studies: German | Message 3 of 8 13 February 2010 at 4:10pm | IP Logged |
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Do you think it's a good idea to change tutors every couple of months?
If I only have one I'm afraid he/she might get used to my bad pronunciation and stop correcting me. I visited Paris last year. I tried to buy some food at a market. No one who I spoke with understood me. I ended up just using my hands and pointing to stuff. When I needed some lip balm (it was winter) I just pointed to my mouth and pretended I was applying some. lol. Next time I visit I want to be able to speak. Not just read signs. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6770 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 4 of 8 14 February 2010 at 9:17am | IP Logged |
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I think if you like your tutor, you should stick with him/her. Having someone who knows your weaknesses and how
far you've progressed is very helpful. With someone to talk to regularly and imitate, you should be able to make pretty good progress with your pronunciation. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6705 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 5 of 8 14 February 2010 at 12:52pm | IP Logged |
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I follow another tactic: I learn the language using an inner voice that is constructed on the basis of voices I hear in television or podcasts. This is not good enough, but I know from experience that I'm fairly quick to adapt when I at long last get serious about speaking to native speakers (typically during a travel). And I have in several cases been mistaken for a native speaker, just not from the locality in question - which is more than enough for my limited ambitions.
Of course I haven't learnt all those languages in isolation, but I haven't had a teacher in any language for thirty years, and in several cases (Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch) I have never had one. Apparently that doesn't make a big difference, provided that I can hear those languages on a regular basis. Another important factor is the training I have got in noticing and categorizing differences in pronunciation. If you don't notice that native people have another way of speaking than you then you can't correct yourself. A qualified teacher might be even more skilled at this, but he/she would probably soon start to feel responsible for my language in other ways, and then I would block totally - that's just a matter of psychology, but definitely a relevant factor. So I wouldn't hire a tutor. It would be an unpleasant experience for both him/her and me. Edited by Iversen on 14 February 2010 at 12:58pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5587 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French | Message 6 of 8 14 February 2010 at 2:14pm | IP Logged |
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I agree with Iversen. Good pronounciation can definitely be achieved at home.
For myself, I learned German pronounciation strictly by listening to songs and looking up the lyrics, and watching TONS of interviews. I have fairly good pronounciation (Although I sound REALLY old, as my materials are from the 1950's) Basic words I can pronounce pretty well, it's the super long ones that I have to slow down on :P So I would tell you: 1. Listen to music/TV (pick a song, look up the lyrics, and follow along :)) 2. Assimil (I've heard french with ease and using french are VERY good! I personally love Assimil's programs :)) 3. Interviews. (I watched rappers interviewed for Aggro.tv in Berlin, I learned a ton of slang and a lot of updated structures that weren't in my books made 60 years ago) Best of luck! Jordan 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5671 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 7 of 8 14 February 2010 at 2:35pm | IP Logged |
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You could always try Pronouce it Perfectly in French
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| John Smith Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6044 days ago 396 posts - 542 votes Speaks: English*, Czech*, Spanish Studies: German | Message 8 of 8 15 February 2010 at 2:11am | IP Logged |
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Thanks for all the advice.
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