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Captain Haddock
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 Message 33 of 52
18 January 2010 at 5:29pm | IP Logged 
QiuJP wrote:
I would like to see a language with a declension system, where for every grammatical syntax, the
noun, the article and the adjective decline in a uniform pattern. (Yes, I love declension!)


Like Greek, you mean?
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OneEye
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 Message 34 of 52
20 January 2010 at 5:29am | IP Logged 
The Edo script from southern Nigeria is chromatographic. It is the only such script known to exist. It doesn't use color to distinguish parts of speech, but to distinguish otherwise identical graphemes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edo_script
http://www.library.cornell.edu/africana/Writing_Systems/Edo. html

Edited by OneEye on 20 January 2010 at 5:30am

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QiuJP
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 Message 35 of 52
20 January 2010 at 5:08pm | IP Logged 
Captain Haddock wrote:
QiuJP wrote:
I would like to see a language with a declension system, where for every grammatical syntax, the
noun, the article and the adjective decline in a uniform pattern. (Yes, I love declension!)


Like Greek, you mean?


I am sorry, but can you tell me about Greek? There's a lack of material in Greek in this region I am in now.........
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Captain Haddock
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 Message 36 of 52
20 January 2010 at 5:17pm | IP Logged 
QiuJP wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
QiuJP wrote:
I would like to see a language with a declension
system, where for every grammatical syntax, the
noun, the article and the adjective decline in a uniform pattern. (Yes, I love declension!)


Like Greek, you mean?


I am sorry, but can you tell me about Greek? There's a lack of material in Greek in this region I am in
now.........


I don't know about the modern language, but in Ancient (Classical) Greek, nouns decline for gender, number,
and case. Articles and adjectives also decline to match the noun.

Example:

ὁ καλος ἄνθρωπος "the good man" (nominative case)
τοῦ καλοῦ ἀνθρώπου "the good man's" (genitive case)
οἱ καλοι ἅνθρωποι "the good men" (plural nominative)

The three words all decline together and usually have the same ending.

Edited by Captain Haddock on 20 January 2010 at 5:23pm

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victor-osorio
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 Message 37 of 52
20 January 2010 at 5:48pm | IP Logged 
ellasevia wrote:


Wow! Those are some great examples. It took me several tries for each of those examples to understand what was trying to be communicated. Colors (or something...) would most definitely help in situations like this. Here's a color-coding scheme that is a bit more in-depth, using those sentences.
NOUN ADJECTIVE VERB ARTICLE PREPOSITION CONJUNCTION

The old man the boat.

The cotton clothing is made of grows in Mississippi.

The government plans to raise taxes were defeated.

The complex houses married and single soldiers and their families.



This seems more confusing to me than the original version without colors. I think if colors could improve our comprehension of those examples, it would be because they help us differentiate the different parts of them: the entities, the actions and the circumstances were those actions happened. That's a distinction used in Halliday's Functional Grammar when trying to understand the ideational meaning of a proposition, that is, what it says about reality.

Here's how I would do it. I think it really improves the comprehension:

NOMINAL GROUP/ENTITY
VERBAL GROUP/ACTION
ADVERBIAL GROUP/CIRCUMSTANCE CONJUNCTION

The old man the boat.

The cotton clothing is made of grows in Mississippi.

The government plans to raise taxes were defeated.

The complex houses married and single soldiers and their families.


Edited by victor-osorio on 20 January 2010 at 5:51pm

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hifidristar
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 Message 38 of 52
21 January 2010 at 9:52am | IP Logged 
For color coded scripts they would have to select the colors very carefully because people like me who are color blind would most likely have difficulties reading. In the first examples posted I can't see a difference between verbs and adjectives unless I really look hard.
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 Message 39 of 52
21 January 2010 at 10:48am | IP Logged 
hifidristar wrote:
For color coded scripts they would have to select the colors very carefully because people like me who are color blind would most likely have difficulties reading. In the first examples posted I can't see a difference between verbs and adjectives unless I really look hard.


Good point, but where do you draw the line? There are colour blind people with 2, 1 or even 0 types of cones!
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Captain Haddock
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 Message 40 of 52
21 January 2010 at 11:40am | IP Logged 
Well, there are people who are completely blind but that doesn't those of us who can from writing.


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