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| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 6056 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes  2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 9 of 34 16 January 2010 at 6:42am | IP Logged | |||||
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Yes, I avoid non-natives (learners) at all costs. I want nothing to do with them, to be honest, and do not want to hear their mistakes. This is one of the reasons language learning in a school setting is such a waste of time.
Also, if you want to be fluent very quickly, you need to start getting in native situations and getting embarrassed and frustrated as soon as possible. Embarrassment and frustration are learning tools; they help you learn (very fast!) and avoid the mistake you made. Besides, they are just part of the language learning game. As Sprachjunge said, if you play with the pigs you get dirty; you need to play with the best, even if it means looking like a fool. Edited by irrationale on 16 January 2010 at 6:44am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| genini1 Senior Member United States Joined 5474 days ago 114 posts - 161 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 10 of 34 16 January 2010 at 7:48am | IP Logged | |||||
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If the student you converse with knows what there doing then it can be helpful, I gave up after a French class where the person I talked with had the habit of pronouncing words ending in -e wrong (Je, de) and I started unconsciously mimicking him. Took me hours to correct myself and I decided to talk mainly with the teacher.
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| pfwillard Pro Member United States Joined 5705 days ago 169 posts - 205 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 34 16 January 2010 at 8:47am | IP Logged | |||||
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The pig analogy is unfair to pigs. Yes, I'm very allergic to having conversations with non-natives in a language I'm trying to learn. My experience has been with academic types who take it for granted that they are the only Americans to ever learn a language, so it's more a language snobbery problem in my case since I'm not in school. Their pronunciation is always proudly wrong and they always tutoyer or commit other rudeness. In mixed L1-L2 company I usually pretend not to know anything, but whisper etiquette words to the L2ians if it makes sense. Yes, I just had such an experience recently. It's discouraging.
In school, dumb little exercises are the norm, another hoop to jump through. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| FamusBluRaincot Triglot Groupie Canada Joined 5567 days ago 50 posts - 114 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Mandarin, Italian | Message 12 of 34 16 January 2010 at 10:35am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm not here to tell others what they should or should not do. But I personally go to great lengths to avoid
conversation with non-native speakers. In fact, if a I hear a non-native speaker on the radio, I will turn it off for awhile. I've worked so hard at my languages. Why would I want to risk picking up bad habits? Edited by FamusBluRaincot on 16 January 2010 at 10:38am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| elvisrules Tetraglot Senior Member BelgiumRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5475 days ago 286 posts - 390 votes Speaks: French, English*, Dutch, Flemish Studies: Lowland Scots, Japanese, German | Message 13 of 34 16 January 2010 at 1:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
So we should do the same to you? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 6040 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds | Message 14 of 34 16 January 2010 at 1:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
I also turn off the radio ( or change the station ) when I hear a non-native speaker. Also when I listen to podcasts, I carefully screen them for non-natives. This probably sounds xenophobic, but the idea is not to "discriminate" in any way. It's just that as a language learner, I don't want exposure to mistakes and mispronunciations. Returning to the main question, I think talking to classmates is a poor substitute for talking to natives. There may be some positive effects ( building confidence, etc.) but the fact you're reinforcing mistakes outweighs them. It's even more annoying when the classmates don't share your native language, or don't make the effort to emulate the accent / avoid grammatical mistakes. I very much prefer talking to the teacher. Edited by Sennin on 16 January 2010 at 2:08pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| densou Senior Member Italy foto.webalice.it/denRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6138 days ago 120 posts - 121 votes Speaks: Italian* | Message 15 of 34 16 January 2010 at 7:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
Don't mind him. Perhaps he isn't aware of non-natives {aside ones with appearance on medias} generally speak a better Italian. *grim smile* 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6131 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish | Message 16 of 34 16 January 2010 at 9:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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You know, come to think of it, I would imagine a large number of Europeans and South Asians spend a lot of time speaking English with non-native English speakers. They somehow manage.
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