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| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 6040 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes  5 sounds | Message 17 of 34 16 January 2010 at 10:30pm | IP Logged | ||
Mind you, there is a difference between managing somehow, and being extremely good / native-like. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| FamusBluRaincot Triglot Groupie Canada Joined 5567 days ago 50 posts - 114 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Mandarin, Italian | Message 18 of 34 17 January 2010 at 12:32am | IP Logged | ||
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Sennin--Thanks for the support.
Elvis--Weren't you the guy who sang "Love Me Tender"? What happened? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| victor-osorio Diglot Groupie Venezuela Joined 5438 days ago 73 posts - 129 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: Italian | Message 19 of 34 17 January 2010 at 1:31am | IP Logged | ||
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Do you think all native speakers speak the same? Do you think you won't find native
speakers in German that make mistakes while speaking? Man, there will be mistakes everywhere and people who speaks "strange" everywhere, and inmigrants in Germany who have an accent but speak German well. You can't say talk-to- my-hand to all the bad-speakers of German and non-native speakers of German you'll find in your life. This is real world, not fantasy, and a language is not just what people talks in a certain part of the world and in a certain social class, but what people talks everywhere in the world with the possibility of understand each other. Do you think a poor illiterate in Germany is unable to speak with a well-spoken German? NO. Do you think that Latinamericans inmigrants cannot speak with Germans because of their accents? NO. That means: all of them speak German. Some speak it with more or less richness, but they all speak German and all of them can give you practice in speaking and understanding at that language. What would happen if you get a job like a translator of German and then you have to translate what inmigrants say while on a riot, for example? Will you say to your boss "sorry, I only understand well-spoken German"? The point of a language is to be capable of express yourself and be understood. Not winning a contest about who speaks like Angela Merkel. Just my opinion, I don't mean to be rough, just was showing how much I disagree with the "you're useless to my purposes" attitude which I think is very silly. Edited by victor-osorio on 17 January 2010 at 1:33am 7 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| zhiguli Senior Member Canada Joined 6447 days ago 176 posts - 221 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Mandarin | Message 20 of 34 17 January 2010 at 1:46am | IP Logged | ||
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And I'm with the people who say it's a waste of time.
You wouldn't learn a language from a native teenage mallrat who speaks in monosyllables (unless you're a teenage mallrat yourself) so why would you learn from a non-native? The whole point of participating in a conversation, even as a passive listener, is to develop _good_ speech habits and learn _how natives actually say things_ (and not the verbatim translations from English that you're likely to hear from novice learners). Speaking with non-natives (unless they're very, very advanced) defeats the whole purpose of this exercise. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 6040 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds | Message 21 of 34 17 January 2010 at 2:19am | IP Logged | ||
If I were learning German, by all means I would try for an accent like Angela Merkel's, rather than some obscure and uneducated variety ;p. But you're right that it's important to comprehend many different accents, not only the standard "educated" speech. / FamusBluRaincot, it's not support, simply my opinion happens to be the same ^_^. / Edited by Sennin on 17 January 2010 at 2:34am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Minlawc Newbie United States Joined 6538 days ago 24 posts - 56 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 22 of 34 17 January 2010 at 7:33am | IP Logged | ||
At least you'll make mistakes like a native German. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6017 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 23 of 34 17 January 2010 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | ||
(English has been spoken natively in much of South Asia since colonial times, but putting that to one side....) It has been commonly observed that people who speak English mostly with non-natives speak in a relatively uniform non-native way. That's fine if you're learning a language as lingua franca, but if you're learning a language like German with the goal of speaking to natives, that's a completely different kettle of fish.* *Yes, I said "kettle of fish" on purpose. Edited by Cainntear on 17 January 2010 at 12:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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