Enrico Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 3736 days ago 162 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Italian, Spanish, French
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Hello everybody!
Will it have sense/be easier to learn only written French? French is interesting for me basically for reading French
literature, Assimil courses and better understanding of Romance languages. I do not like too much the sound of
French. From sound point of view I more like the sound of Spanish/Italian/Portuguese/English.
Can it be done with Assimil French With Ease course? Or maybe you have another suggestions?
Thank you.
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YnEoS Senior Member United States Joined 4245 days ago 472 posts - 893 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Russian, Cantonese, Japanese, French, Hungarian, Czech, Swedish, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish
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French for Reading by Karl C. Sandberg and Eddison C. Tatham is a really well made course designed for academics who need to read French articles, but don't have the time to commit to learning to speak the language. Its a very well paced and effective method that ends each chapter with reading and comprehension exercises of actual academic articles or excerpts from french literature, modified to suit the level of the student during that chapter.
Edited by YnEoS on 28 August 2014 at 6:44pm
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Enrico Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 3736 days ago 162 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Italian, Spanish, French
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YnEoS wrote:
rench for Reading by Karl C. Sandberg and Eddison C. Tatham |
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YnEoS, thank you very much I will check it out.
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Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5008 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch
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For me it would make no sense - not because I already speak french - but because whatever I read or write I have to hear the words pronounced in my head.
I already read people claiming to read without knowing the correct pronunciation because they are visual or something. They learn what they see and don't need to hear it or to know how it is supposed to sound.
Maybe you could try another french accent or other persons to listen to.
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Enrico Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 3736 days ago 162 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Italian, Spanish, French
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It was repeted by a mistake.
Edited by Enrico on 28 August 2014 at 6:50pm
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Enrico Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 3736 days ago 162 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Italian, Spanish, French
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Michel1020 wrote:
For me it would make no sense - not because I already speak french - but because whatever I
read or write I have to hear the words pronounced in my head.
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Maybe. Because I know only one case when somebody learnt written French without speaking but he pronounced it
like Latin )) it means that he had to "hear" something when he was reading.
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emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5523 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map
| Message 7 of 21 28 August 2014 at 7:22pm | IP Logged |
My advice assumes that you have some kind of inner voice when you read. If you don't "hear" the words at all, in any way, than what I say below won't make much sense.
Enrico wrote:
Will it have sense/be easier to learn only written French? French is interesting for me basically for reading French
literature, Assimil courses and better understanding of Romance languages. I do not like too much the sound of
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You probably could learn to read French using either Assimil New French with Ease or—as YnEoS suggested—French for Reading.
But honestly, I would encourage you to spend a little bit of time listening to French, even if it's just during the first 50 Assimil lessons. An English speaker who learns to read French will almost certainly invent their own mental pronunciation—and that pronunciation will probably be horribly incorrect. If you then proceed to read a few thousand pages of French, you'll burn that invented pronunciation into your brain. And if you someday decide that you want to watch French TV or speak a little bit of French, you'll need to undo all that effort and somehow reprogram your brain.
I guarantee that if you do 50 Assimil lessons with the sound turned on, French pronunciation will make a lot more sense than it does now. (Once you get the trick of it, French pronunciation is far simpler than English pronunciation.) From there, you can decide whether or not you want to continue working on your listening skills. Basically, a relatively small amount of listening now would help keep your options open for later.
Edited by emk on 28 August 2014 at 7:28pm
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Enrico Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 3736 days ago 162 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Italian, Spanish, French
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emk wrote:
But honestly, I would encourage you to spend a little bit of time listening to French, even if it's just during the first
50 Assimil lessons.
I guarantee that if you do 50 Assimil lessons with the sound turned on, French pronunciation will make a lot more
sense than it does now.
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Very interesting idea.
emk wrote:
I guarantee that if you do 50 Assimil lessons with the sound turned on, French pronunciation will make a lot more
sense than it does now.
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I listened for some Paul Noble's French (about 8 CDs from 12) and then I'm tired of it whereas Italian and Spanish
ones came in very well from the first time. Therefore I even think sometimes
maybe focus on Italian and Spanish and forget about French for a while or focus only on reading.
Of course, with Assimil immersion would be much better than with Noble's course, I like Assimil courses.
Edited by Enrico on 28 August 2014 at 8:58pm
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