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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5326 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 113 of 169 18 November 2012 at 4:24pm | IP Logged | ||
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Technically you are right that Bokmål is not a spoken language. In actual fact, Standard Eastern Norwegian
(the dialect spoken in and around Oslo and in the larger part of Eastern Norway) is pretty much identical to Bokmål. To be frank I think there are political reasons for not admitting that fact. Nynorsk does not have a spoken variant since it is a sort of West Norwegian Esperanto. To make it "fair" the same is said about Bokmål. I would be very interested in hearing what actual differences could be found between the spoken and the written variant. I am not aware of any after having spoken it for the good part of 50 years. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 114 of 169 18 November 2012 at 4:58pm | IP Logged | ||
Not a Swede, but Danish and Swedish really have markedly different phonologies and do have quite a bit of diverging vocabulary, to a much bigger extent than is the case between Bokmål and Nynorsk if I recall correctly. Edited by tarvos on 18 November 2012 at 4:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6901 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 115 of 169 18 November 2012 at 5:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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Right on the spot. Written Danish doesn't look a bit like spoken Swedish, nor does Danish sound like written Swedish. Whenever I hear Norwegian, my main attention is on the accent, not the vocabulary or the grammar. Whether someone says "eg" or "jeg" is less important (for me as passive Norwegian aficionado).
Indeed, I'm more into (understanding) spoken Norwegian than reading the language, and unless there are some super-obvious phrasings (e.g. "eg" vs. "jeg"), I won't know if I'm reading pure Bokmål or Nynorsk, nor do I care. Sad but true. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4865 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish | Message 116 of 169 18 November 2012 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | ||
Bokmål is very flexible. The feminine noun gender is optional, for instance. Also, the use of a-ending of past tense verbs, and so on is up to you. Nynorsk, on the other hand, uses words like "tilrå" and "høve" instead of "anbefale" and "anledning" even though Westerners might use the latter set of words, and some might not even know what "høve" means. Edited by stifa on 18 November 2012 at 8:14pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| limey75 Senior Member United Kingdom germanic.eu/ Joined 4391 days ago 119 posts - 182 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Norwegian, Old English | Message 117 of 169 18 November 2012 at 9:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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I learnt to read Bokmål, and can I freely admit that some Nynorsk texts cause me some extra effort, especially "ultra-conservative" Nynorsk from around the 1930s or so. Edited by limey75 on 19 November 2012 at 3:48am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4660 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 118 of 169 19 November 2012 at 1:32am | IP Logged | ||
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''Radical'' Nynorsk is the one which is close to ''Radical'' Bokmaal ;)
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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6695 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 119 of 169 20 November 2012 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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Radikalt nynorsk hedder høgnorsk ('High Norwegian'), hvilket minder mig om Tolkiens kunstsprog 'High Elven' (Quenya) ... omend det nok må siges at der er flere fans af Quenya end af Høgnorsk på dette trin af verdenshistorien.
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| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4513 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 120 of 169 20 November 2012 at 2:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think the word "progressivt" rather than "radikalt" is used for Nynorsk that looks similar to "radikalt" Bokmål
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