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| tozick Diglot Groupie Poland Joined 6355 days ago 44 posts - 69 votes  Speaks: Polish*, English | Message 41 of 123 07 February 2012 at 1:44am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Dziś poszedłem do banku, żeby coś wyjaśnić. Potem wróciłem do domu i miałem duży obiad. Wieczorem idę z kilkoma przyjaciółmi do nowego pubu na kolację.(W tej chwili) jestem bardzo zmęczony, ponieważ w tym tygodniu byłem dość zajęty i mało spałem. I'll write more later. Edited by tozick on 07 February 2012 at 1:44am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Ligador Diglot Groupie United States Joined 4956 days ago 81 posts - 101 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 42 of 123 08 February 2012 at 12:56am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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La Sombra del Viento es un buen libro supongo (al menos las 100 páginas que ya he leído), pero te insto a que escojas Cien Años de Soledad o El Amor en Los Tiempos del Cólera para leer. Ambas novelas son de García Marquez, un escritor célebre y verdadero maestro de la lengua hispana. Ambas me gustaron, aunque son largas y/o dificiles debido a que el autor emplea su amplio vocabulario. Pero todo se puede con ganas! Te lo juro, no te arrepentirás. Edited by Ligador on 08 February 2012 at 12:57am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Vos Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5559 days ago 766 posts - 1020 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Dutch, Polish | Message 43 of 123 10 February 2012 at 1:02am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Tozick - Firstly, as always, thank you very much for your detailed reply. I just have a quick question on the
meaning of the adjective ‘śliczny’ - as when I used it in the sentence to describe my teacher - ‘a nauczycielka była śliczna’ - I wanted to express that she was lovely, in the sense of warm, friendly and a very likeable person. Not gorgeous as in related to looks. Does śliczny not express this? And with ‘nie móc doczekać się’, do these following sentences work? (just so I know that I’m using it in the right way) - Nie mogę się doczekać jechać do Polski - Nie mogę się doczekać widzieć moje przyjaciół. Do they sound alright? And lastly does the verb 'wysortować' not really translate to 'to sort out'? Or is 'wyjaśnić' (to explain, clarify) simply a better way of expressing that and the verb a Pole would use in order to convey 'to sort something out'? Ligador - Gracias por las sugerencias. He leído Cien Años de Soledad en inglés hace unos años y creo que leer ese libro en su lengua original sería bien difícil (pero muy gratificante). Algún día seguro que lo leeré en su original, pero ahorita, pienso que primero tengo que desarrollar mucho más mi vocabulario antes de que lo intente. Sin embargo tengo en mi habitación su libro Memoria de mis Putas Tristes que no es muy grueso ni parece tan difícil en su lenguaje, por lo tanto quizás sea un buen libro suyo con el que empezar. ¿Has leído alguno de sus libros de cuentos? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tozick Diglot Groupie Poland Joined 6355 days ago 44 posts - 69 votes Speaks: Polish*, English | Message 44 of 123 11 February 2012 at 3:12am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Nope, 'śliczny' refers strictly to looks. If you want an adjective for someone who is likeable I think your best bet would be 'sympatyczny' - similar to the Spanish simpático. Another one would be 'przesympatyczny' which is something like very likeable or very nice etc. Another word that would convey more or less the same meaning would be 'uroczy' which roughly means charming, lovely, adorable. A couple of others: wspaniały - wonderful, miły - nice, czarujący - enchanting, fascynujący - fascinating. The last one is kind of far from what you meant to say and 'miły' is the 'plainest' of them.
Hmm... you'd say: Nie mogę się doczekać wyjazdu do Polski. Nie mogę się doczekać, kiedy pojadę do Polski. Nie mogę się doczekać, aż pojadę do Polski. Nie mogę się doczekać, kiedy zobaczę moich przyjaciół. Nie mogę się doczekać, aż zobaczę moich przyjaciół. And slightly modified - Nie mogę się doczekać wizyty moich przyjaciół. (my friends' visit) So these are 3 ways of saying it. Personally i prefer the ones with a noun - wyjazdu / wizyty, but the ones with 'kiedy' and 'aż' are used quite a lot aswell. That is at least the way people use them.
Not really. 'Wysortować' is a word that, I suppose, you can completely forget about, at least for now, as it's not any kind of common. I think I've only seen it used a couple of time in some computer data sorting context and I think it's simply because those people were quite literally copying the English verb 'to sort out'. Apart from that I can only think of 'wysortowanie' which is a term in geology which I think is called 'sorting' in English. Two similar words that are used relatively often are 'sortować' and 'posortować' the first being imperfective and the second perfective. Yes, you'll be right to guess that they mean 'to sort'. 'Wyjaśnić' was the first thing that came to my mind and I think it's the most natural. If there is any kind of problem or something then you go somewhere or call someone, or whatever, in order to 'wyjaśnić problem/nieporozumienie (misunderstanding)'. You could also use 'załatwić' as in 'Muszę coś załatwić' which would mean something along the lines of 'I have to take care of something'. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Vos Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5559 days ago 766 posts - 1020 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Dutch, Polish | Message 45 of 123 14 February 2012 at 8:10am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Week 6 - Semana Seis - Tydzień Sześź
Español Llevo esta semana pasada viendo mucho más televisión española ya que el internet vuelve a marchar bien y así puedo empezar a ver cosas por internet y también he descubierto que en uno de los canales australianos, cada mañana sale la noticia de España durante casi una hora, así que cada mañana me he estado levantando bastante temprano para que lo pueda ver. El programa por internet que he estado viendo se llama Callejeros Viajeros. Lo encontré hace dos semanas y se me hace muy bueno. Es un programa de viaje (como quizás ya hayáis adivinado por su nombre) en el que un tío o una mujer va a una ciudad o parte del mundo, se encuentra con expatriados de países español hablantes y lugareños y descubre cómo es vivir en ese lugar, qué cosas hay que hacer, qué hace la gente en su tiempo libre para divertirse, etcétera. Es el mejor sucedáneo por viajar que uno puede hacer mientras no tienes tiempo ni mucho dinero. El enlace al programa está debajo. Además los libros que encargué la otra semana de la biblioteca llegaron durante el finde y los recogí ayer, así que en algún momento durante esta semana voy a empezar a leer La Ciudad de las Bestias de Isabel Allende, y una vez que lo acabe, voy a leer La Sombra del Viento de Carlos Ruiz Zafón. Callejeros Viajeros Study Wise - Read a few things on the internet as per usual, did Anki repetitions and watched Spanish news. Anki currently at 3568 entries. Polski Czytałem o kilkach polskich pisarzach takie jak Gombrowicz i Witkacy i nie mogę się doczekać, aż będę umiał czytać polskie książki po polsku. Są tak dużo polskich pisarzy, które się interesuję. Już zrobiłem listę, w której piszę nazwy książek i ważne pisarzy, że myślę brzmieć/brzmią(?) ciekawie. Coś, który znalezłem wcześniej - stronę internetową o rzeczach robić w Warszawie. Tu jest odnośnik: Warszawa - Bezpłatna Mapa I have been reading about some Polish writers such as Gombrowicz and Witkacy and I can’t wait until I’m able to read Polish books in Polish. There are so many Polish writers that I’m interested in. I’ve already made a list in which I’m writing the names of books and Polish writers that I think sound interesting. Something which I found earlier - a website about things to do in Warsaw. Here’s the link: Warszawa - Free Map for Young Travellers I attended the Polish above beginners class last week and it went really well! More exercises and active use of the language than in the other class, and there’s at least one person who is really good and can already converse rather well with the teacher, which therefore inspires me and drives me to learn harder, which is fantastic. Good bunch of people too. So I’m guessing this will become a staple weekly activity at least for the first half of the year. Something which has been helping me quite a bit with Polish and which I can see becoming more invaluable, is the website Tatoeba. Which is a site dedicated to providing sample sentences in many different languages. Great in order to see a word you’re unsure about in use or for a sample sentence to add to Anki. You can find the site here: Tatoeba Study Wise - Currently up to chapter 13 of Colloquial Polish and have 528 entries in Anki. Do zobaczenia. -------------------------------------- Tozick - Thank you very much for clarifying the use of doczekać się for me and for answering the other questions as well. Bardzo ci dziękuję za pomoc. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Mooby Senior Member Scotland Joined 6098 days ago 707 posts - 1220 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Polish | Message 46 of 123 14 February 2012 at 10:43am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Great to hear you're making progress Vos, and are full of motivation. There are indeed many Polish writers whose work I want to enjoy, films as well.
I stumbled across the website Tatoeba a while ago but haven't used it at all. However I can see the potential for practicing writing; by only looking at the English and then trying to convert back into Polish. Because most of the sentences are short the amount of grammar shouldn't be too overwhelming. Najlepsze życzenia. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tozick Diglot Groupie Poland Joined 6355 days ago 44 posts - 69 votes Speaks: Polish*, English | Message 47 of 123 14 February 2012 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
1. Czytałem o kilku polskich pisarzach, takich jak, Gombrowicz i Witkacy... Just a wee problem with cases there. polscy pisarze polskich pisarzy polskim pisarzom polskich pisarzy (z) polskimi pisarzami (o) polskich pisarzach 2. Są tak dużo polskich pisarzy, które się interesuję. Jest tak dużo polskich pisarzy, którymi się interesuję. The verb 'to be' should be in the singular there. While, unlikely in Spanish, we don't always use the singular for 'there is/are' in this context we do. I think it has something to do with the use of 'tak dużo' although I can't recall any rules for it now. A couple of examples(with a slightly different word order to make it easier to compare): Wielu zawodników jest niezadowolonych. (Many players are unhappy.) Większość pracowników jest na wakacjach. (Most of the employees/The majority of employees are on holiday.) Dużo osób jest w budynku. (There are many people in the building.) Tych uczniów nie ma w szkole. (These students are not at school.) Niewielu ludzi potrafi sobie z tym poradzić. ( Few people can handle that.) Kilkoro przechodniów zostało potrąconych przez samochód. (A couple of passers-by were hit by a car) but Zawodnicy są niezadowoleni. Pracownicy są na wakacjach. Osoby są w budynku (it sounds odd) Uczniowie nie odrobili lekcji. Ludzie nie potrafią sobie z tym poradzić. Przechodnie zostali potrąceni przez samochód. I tried to give you a couple of different verbs there so that you have a general idea how it works. Basically if the subject of a sentence is a group or there is some kind of quantifier we seem to use the singular. That's all I can come up with for now. If you need more examples or something just let me know. Btw, in place of 'tak dużo' you could also use 'tylu' or 'tak wielu'. 3. Już zrobiłem listę, w której piszę nazwy książek i ważne pisarzy, że myślę brzmieć/brzmią(?) ciekawie. There are 2 main problems with this sentence. First, the beginning which sounds kind of like 'I had made a list in which I'm writing names of books and important writers..'. I think it doesn't completely make sense in a way that 'już zrobiłem' implies that it's completed and 'piszę' means that you're in the process of writing. Moreover, 'piszę nazwy książek i ważne pisarzy' without changing any vocabulary sounds way off. Assuming, though, it was ok it would have to be 'piszę nazwy książek i ważnych pisarzy'. A couple of ways of saying it correctly, and more naturally. (Już) zrobiłem listę interesujących książek i pisarzy. Slightly less simplified: (Już) zrobiłem listę, która zawiera nazwy książek oraz/i nazwiska pisarzy, którzy wydają się interesujący. (Już) zrobiłem listę ważnych pisarzy i (ich) dzieł/książek, które chcę/chciałbym/mam ochotę/mam zamiar przeczytać. 3.1. pisarzy, że myślę brzmieć/brzmią(?) ciekawie. Also, we don't really use 'że' in a way in whcih 'that' is used in English. You can't, tehrefore, say 'writers that sound interesting'; it has to be 'writers which...'. Similarly, we can't just drop 'which' altogether. Saying e.g. 'książki mi się podobały' means something else than 'książki, które mi się podobały'. The second ones refers to some books that you liked while the first one sounds as if there were, say, books, cars, and newspapers and you wanted to say that out of these three categories you liked one of them. If the sentence is longer then with a right intonation you could also mean that you liked the books but you liked soemthign else better etc. Right i have a lecture in 10 min have to go. If anything is unclear just let me know. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Vos Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5559 days ago 766 posts - 1020 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Dutch, Polish | Message 48 of 123 16 February 2012 at 11:17pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Mooby - Hey Mooby, how's things? I really enjoyed reading you piece of Polish writing the other day. Keep it up!
Indeed I am full of motivation for Polish, I'm honestly loving it. Tozick - Thanks heaps Tozick, I haven't had time this week yet to thoroughly go over and make notes of your comments as I have a friend staying with me, but will surely do so early next week. Hope all is well. Question to my fellow Żubrów and anyone in the know - So I've realised that I am tremendously in need of a/some good Polish grammar/work book(s), one that has a huge amount of exercises and drills, as despite the book I'm using now being good for learning about the grammar, there aren't enough exercises and drills which help me to retain it. So if any of you know of any books which sound like what I'm seeking, for example, have a page of sentences which say, 'fill in the gaps with the word in brackets using the Genetive case... the Locative etc', or 'use the appropriate case after the following prepositions'/'use the appropriate verb of motion in the following situations' and so on. I'm sure you all know what I'm after. I'm going to have a search next week when I have some time and will write up what I find. But if any of you are aware of some good books and have a bit of time to share them with me, it would be extremely appreciated. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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