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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4820 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 1 of 3 11 October 2012 at 9:33pm | IP Logged |
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I almost called this thread "Birth of (an) English Dialect as a mirror image of another thread, but thought I ought to make it more specific.
An interesting website about the North-East in general but a lot about the origins of Geordie and Northumbrian dialects in particular. It also has a bearing on the development of English as a whole I think. History of Northumbria Kingdon of Northumbria Viking Northumbria Geordie Origins Conversation Geordie Dictionary There are quite a few pages on the site and those are just samples. This is also interesting, if not as nicely laid out as the other site: Tyneside and Northumbrian Dialect I must say, it seems counter-intuitive to me that Geordie & Northumbrian would not have been particularly influenced by Scandinavian, but that indeed seems to be the case. There is some influence of course, but some of the dialect and placename evidence seems ambiguous. For example the Geordie for "house" is "hoos", but that could be both Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian. Similarly the placename suffix -wick, as in Berwick, could be either. In fact it seems that Northumbria held on to their original Anglo-Saxon ("Anglian") in the face of the Viking invasions longer than other parts of England, and Geordie and Northumbrian dialect may be the oldest (or perhaps only) living relics of that original Anglo-Saxon. Added to which, Scandinavian gradually affected English in many parts of England, not just where Viking settlement was strong, so such evidence of Scandinavian words as there is does not necessarily imply a strong level Scandinavian settlement in Northumbria; there was some, but not as strong as elsewhere, e.g. Cumbria or Yorkshire. However, we have to be careful: the Angles, from the Angeln peninsula of what is modern southern Denmark, probably spoke a language that may have been closer to Scandinavian or even Dutch than to modern German. So "Anglian" and the language of the Viking invaders may not have been that far apart. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| GeordieLinguist Newbie United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3672 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 2 of 3 26 April 2015 at 10:09am | IP Logged |
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This is a very interesting post for me as I'm from Newcastle-upon-Tyne, up here we're always told that our
accent is the closest to medieval English and Modern German in the whole of the UK. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4282 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 3 of 3 26 April 2015 at 10:09pm | IP Logged |
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"hoos" sounds very similar to Danish "hus", but maybe it is both--Northumbria and Durham
the region with both the largest number of Scandinavian and Ængelsc influences? Regarding the accent, I never thought about whether it sounded like Danish. Or do you mean sounding like a Dane speaking English? Anyway I miss living in the toon. Eldon Square, The Gate, Bigg Market... Edited by 1e4e6 on 26 April 2015 at 11:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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