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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4040 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes  Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 73 of 145 31 August 2014 at 6:10pm | IP Logged |
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Thank you @albysky. I have the impression that not only it is useful for language learning, but also that meeting
new people (even if only online) it is a big motivational tool. Ik ben echt blij om te zien dat mijn verstaanbaarheid is elke dag an het verbeteren. Dat is uitstekend omdat ik geen luisteren doe: op dit moment studeer ik alleen grammatica. Ik denk dat er is iets over zinsconstructie leren dat helpt om te gesproken taal te verstaan. Bij voorbeeld, als weet men niet dat in sommige zins het werkwoord moet aan het eind liggen, is het meer moeilijk de hele zin begrijpen. Ik ben nu aan niveau 10 met Duolingo. Ik bestelde 'Assimil Le nouveau néerlandais sans peine' en ik wil het met 'Dutch with Ease' gelijktijdig gebruiken. Ik kocht ook 'Néerlandais débutant' (méthode 90) zodat kan ik het met Duolingo gebruiken voordat met Assimil beginnen. Gisteren avond een nederlandse vrouw vertelde me het woord 'uitbuiken', zo leuk :D Het betekent 'dat moment wanneer men gegeten te veel en nodig heeft om zijn riem los te maken', een situatie dat zeer vak van een Italianse persoon in de restaurants van Nederland gebeurt :D Zij doen wat ik heet "dutch size" porties :) Edited by tristano on 31 August 2014 at 6:10pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4040 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 74 of 145 02 September 2014 at 10:11am | IP Logged |
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Since I'm in this moment quite productive studying Dutch and my French is set to a
solid B1 other than being the foreign language I study actively with my highest speaking practice, seems to me the current moment ideal to start studying Spanish. My 2014 will be a tough year for language learning, due to the plans to start Japanese (in the first half of the year) and Polish (in the second one). Being those two much harder than Dutch (but still being Dutch a Germanic language thus a difficult language for an Italian native speaker - largely due to difficult pronunciation and irrational ortography) suggests me to start now. Yesterday evening I tested myself on the field, taking an hour for studying Spanish from scratch and see how far I was able to go. Now, because Spanish is so close to Italian, I can avoid all the burden necessary to tackle Dutch and start directly with Assimil. Happened that in one hour I did the first 7 lessons. When normally I need to listen a dialogue 12 times to understand it completely (3 times only audio, 3 times with the teaching language translation, 3 times with the original text, other 3 times only audio), with Spanish in 90% of the cases I was able to fully understand the sentence the first time with only the audio. I made the exercises for all the 6 dialogues, 100% correct. Of course I cannot continue with this rhythm (and I should not) but I think it's feasible in the first 50 lessons to do two of them per day. I will start speaking practice when I will be more or less around the 50th lesson. I will start with an intermediate grammar when I will have finished Assimil, and reading more or less at the same time. There is a big Spanish community in the city where I live so learning this language is high value for me. I will nonetheless stop immediately studying Spanish if this affects negatively my study of Dutch. The rule is: I study Dutch at least half an hour before starting studying Spanish. (I'm studying European Spanish of course so I will avoid any latin american resource - if I only did this with English!) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4040 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 75 of 145 02 September 2014 at 11:27pm | IP Logged |
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Today I managed to study really a lot without encountering boredom. It will not all the time like this, but I enjoy this
long session in which I studied something like two hours of Dutch and one hour of Spanish. Other than 1 hour of Duolingo and some reading and writing, I have done also 40 minutes (two lessons) of the Methode 90 (starting from the ninth), I find it good. To be a beginner course seems to go at a quick pace. Talking about Spanish, I put black on white of the exercises (I didn't do it yesterday) to have a quick refresh of what I did yesterday, and then I did the lesson 8. Men, it was nothing like the previous ones. I see the level increase rapidly here, and the lesson 9 seems to be more difficult than the 8. But I didn't do the ninth. I will see the next days what is the pace I can keep. If I can do two-three exercises without much strain ok, otherwise it's not a shame if I can do only one. Ahora voy a dormir porque estoy muy cansado :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4040 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 76 of 145 04 September 2014 at 12:36am | IP Logged |
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It's awkward.
This morning I tested my listening comprehension with French, Dutch and Spanish, listening some radio. Never studied Spanish -> 90% of comprehension, even better than Franch (and I'm B1 in French). Said that one thing is understanding Spanish, another is producing it, so I have to study it anyway. Great to know that I should not struggle like with Dutch. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4040 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 77 of 145 06 September 2014 at 1:05am | IP Logged |
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Today I read a dutch novel targeted most probably to teenagers, so not too much
difficult to read. Well, my percentual of comprehension of this book with my current level of Dutch is high enough to understand the meaning of all sentences but same spare here and there, with a lot of those which I understand the meaning of every word. I read without strain for 90 minutes during my flight to Italy. Amazing! Understanding the structure of the sentences leads to a really better understanding than studying words in isolation. Very cool stuff. Look forward to be able to understand more serious publications :) Dutch is turning out to be a quite logical language and pleasant to the eyes. And the last night I did my first dream where I was speaking in Dutch: quite amazingly, I was having fun faking to be really pissed off and saying stupid sentences (like: "IK WIL BITTERBALLEN!!!!!!!!!!!") shouting and giving a punch on the table, like in the popular video that with guys saying a word in English, french, Spanish, italian and German as last, with the "german" guy was doing the same (butterfly :) - papillon :) - mariposa :) - farfalla :) - SCHMETTERLING!!!!!!! >:-( >:-( >:-( >:-( ). So funny. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4040 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 78 of 145 09 September 2014 at 11:42pm | IP Logged |
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After a weekend in Italy where I didn't study at all and a busy evening yesterday with the same results, today I did
only review. About Spanish, I'm amazed that I cannot actively remember most of the sentences, but I played all the 12 lessons I did so far and I understood every single word and the meaning of every sentence. At this point I'm starting to think that I will incredibly soon have a really nice understanding of the language so can be useful to rush to the end, do the perfectionnement as well, and using the language passively the same way I do with English. It seems to be by the way that I will not be able to speak it until I work on grammar (and it's not my priority here until the end of the year because of Dutch). Dutch: I have the impression that while Duolingo is a very good resource and I'm learning a lot, it is somehow slowing my progresses (do I really need all that English typing?). I still would like to go through the whole course while studying with Methode 90. I bought the new Assimil Le néerlandais sans peines and I will use it together with Dutch with Ease; it seems by the way that the learning curve is less steep in the new volume. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4040 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 79 of 145 12 September 2014 at 8:23pm | IP Logged |
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Apparently today is the end of the 6 weeks challenge.
The bot says that I studied 40h!!! That is a fantastic result! http://6wc.learnlangs.com/stats/user/TristanoSuriani I'm very proud because this time I stuck with my goal and even my wanderlust didn't prevent me to reach it. What happened after those 40 hours of study? - I have a much broader vocabulary - My command of written Dutch also improved - My oral comprehension is much better and for the first time i perceive this language as familiar and not anymore alien - I also managed to have two skype conversations with a kind and nice russian lady that lives in the netherlands and speak Dutch with a good command, and we talked about a broad array of topics - I can now read teenager's books - I can now read magazines that talk about topics I'm familiar with - I can now read job offers and reply refusing them all in dutch - I can see videos talking about topics I'm familiar with - I can read articles on the "Metro" (free newspaper distributed in the trams) and have a good understanding if they are not too based on context I'm not familiar with My first milestone in every languages I learn is to reach the level to be able to learn the language just by using it - reading and listening - that is somewhere between A2 and B1. I'm still not there, but definitely closer. I'm very confident that this level will be reached before December 31. There are thing I can improve about my learning process, but men! I'm so proud of myself, and my Italian friends in the netherlands are constantly indicating me like 'the one who knows Dutch' (I honestly wouldn't say so, but it also means that they observed something that gave them this idea). Meanwhile I subscribed to the new course at the Alliance Française for the B1.2 and I received my certificate for the B1.1 (with a really promising 80% as final vote - I aim at 90% for the next!). With Assimil Spanish I am at the 17th lesson and the level is still so damned easy. Better like this. I think I will study grammar only after I finished the advanced book of Assimil. Or maybe even later, after having had a fair amount of input. Let's see. In the meantime I'm getting information for my linguistic project to go through different languages following the continuum, starting from the romances to approach slavic ones, than probably balkans' and baltic's (that someone informed me to be two different concepts hahaha), to move back to Germanic and any other stuff, with the main goal to be able to understand all of those languages. Don't know if it makes sense and when I will stop if I will start, wondering about stuff is a beautiful way to pass the time so I do it without any shame ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Iolanthe Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5634 days ago 410 posts - 482 votes Speaks: English*, DutchC1 Studies: Turkish, French | Message 80 of 145 12 September 2014 at 8:50pm | IP Logged |
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Congratulations on making so much progress with your Dutch :) Ga zo door!
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