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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5159 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 137 of 252 23 January 2014 at 3:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I've never used FSI myself, I always found it too dry, the language a bit dated and the
formatting uncomfortable. Maybe I should give it a try later, especially for languages such as Turkish which demand getting used to a whole new grammar. (As a matter of fact, I do plan to use Basic Course in Estonian which has nearly the same FSI format). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4351 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 138 of 252 23 January 2014 at 3:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Outdated language can be an isssue with FSI. For example, the greek course is not recommended. But other languages are fine.
You have to ask a native Estonian to give you his/her opinion before you start. I use it for Turkish/Hebrew, and to tell you the truth I haven't asked anyone to tell me if it's outdated. I'll search the forum. Maybe there is a thread on that topic somwhere. It is dry, military even, but somehow it suits me. But of course that's a matter of personal preferences. I know the drills will make me mad at some point, but I am prepared to deal with them! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| fireballtrouble Triglot Senior Member Turkey Joined 4517 days ago 129 posts - 203 votes Speaks: Turkish*, French, English Studies: German | Message 139 of 252 23 January 2014 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Your Turkish-Greek common words post is excellent!
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| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6054 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 140 of 252 23 January 2014 at 3:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, no doubt. The Greek / Turkish rivalry is one of the most famous in History. As there were long periods of peace, both learned a lot from each other. Even as late as the early 15th century, both looked down on Western Europe as uncivilised (which was probably true, comparatively). I'm thinking of this:
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5049 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 141 of 252 23 January 2014 at 5:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
чт is pronounced шт only in что and чтобы, чн - in a number of words, жд - obsolete, cч - not between a preposition and the next word, probably. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4351 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 142 of 252 24 January 2014 at 7:58am | IP Logged | |||||
Спасибо. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4351 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 143 of 252 24 January 2014 at 8:23am | IP Logged | |||||
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@Fireball and Luso.
I am happy you liked the post. I will keep making similar posts because it helps me, and I find it fascinating to know where words come from. Usually, us Greeks, we are used to spotting the greek words in other languages. But in this case, we have loans not only from greek to turkish, but also from turkish to greek. This is very interesting to me, because our language has been consciously "purified" several times, including quite recently, when war was waged against obvious foreign words. I mean, instead of "computer", to say "υπολογιστής". It has generally been a successful and useful campain, because God knows we have enough words to say everything. However this applied mainly to English words, etc. about the modern technological/lifestyle/tv/global village thing. The turkish words are a different story. They are used in the colloquial, everyday language, we don't think about it, and they are such a familiar part of speech that if anyone tried to get rid of them recently, I haven't heard about it. In previous centuries yes, wilth success, but the ones that remained, are still with us. They are colloquial though. In more fancy situations we use the greek word. To give you an example: in everyday language you say: μπούτι, thigh. But as a doctor, or on tv, you say μηρός. If you want to say the water is freezing cold, you say μπούζι. But in classroom, or talking to older people, you say παγωμένο, or something. My point is, that those are words we use all the time. That's why I was surprized to see some of them, and I have a feeling I will keep being surprized. There are a lot of things I can tell you about swear words as well. But I won't. You can imagine though. :) This love/hate of foreign words has been a part of Greek since forever. It's connected to issues other than language and please don't think it is only about turkish words. The English/french elements have been mercilessly hunted down and exterminated in many cases. Turkish words in the past as well, but the ones that survived are so familiar, that nobody thinks twice to use them. And they are many :) Edited by renaissancemedi on 24 January 2014 at 8:24am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5825 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 144 of 252 24 January 2014 at 5:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
Oh please do. :-) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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