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| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5251 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 65 of 426 06 February 2012 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Well I haven't updated much because it takes time away from the 6WC, but I have a lot to say! Well, I've
learned a lot about verbs already. I reviewed the present, future, imperfect and conditional, and I also learned the optative and aorist and how nouns decline when used with them. So now I can make sentences using the optative or verbal nouns! I was waiting for the day when I would figure that out. I was reading Aronson and I noticed something that conficts with Beginner's Georgian. Aronson says that 'ar' is used immediately before verbs and 'ara' elsewhere, but Kiziria says that ara is also used before monosyllabic verbs. One of Aronson's examples is 'ar cers' but according to Kiziria it should be ara cers. So can someone explain that to me? Madlobt. :) Edited by zecchino1991 on 06 February 2012 at 10:49pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5457 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 66 of 426 06 February 2012 at 10:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Learning the optative feels like a real breakthrough, right? I remember also feeling very pleased with myself
at that point. Right now, however, I'm wondering how much the optative is actually used. It seems to me that if it is possible to use a verbal noun instead, people will go with the verbal noun. For example, I seem to encounter მინდა ლაპარაკი far more often than მინდა ჳილაპარაკო. As for ar and ara, I think either is fine with a monosyllabic verb. Ara maqvs, for example, would be perfectly OK. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5251 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 67 of 426 08 February 2012 at 7:24am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Well today I think I've spent every waking moment of my life studying Georgian! Except for when I was in Russian class or doing my homework. When I was writing a Russian paragraph for my homework, I discovered that I am starting to mix Russian with Georgian... I had to go back and erase a bunch of it, because I wrote да instead of и EVERY time lol. Oi... This 6WC is making me neglect my other languages, so I might have to tone it down... but I just can't! I want to be a Georgian master! ;) By the way, what is the imperfect form of ვსწავლობ? And the aorist is ვისწავლე, right? If I want to say "today I studied Georgian grammar," which one should I use? Edited by zecchino1991 on 08 February 2012 at 7:25am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5457 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 68 of 426 08 February 2012 at 7:45am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The imperfect of ვსწავლობ is ვსწავლობდი. I think that "Today I studied Georgian grammar" would probably be დღეს ქართული ენის გრამატიკას ვსწავლობდი, and that if you used the aorist and said დღეს ქართული ენის გრამატიკა ვისწავლე, it would mean you studied every single Georgian grammar rule and memorized the whole lot of 'em! Which would take all the fun out of it, of course....
I may be wrong about this though, so hopefully Murdoc will be along at some point to confirm. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Murdoc Triglot Senior Member Georgia Joined 5247 days ago 113 posts - 208 votes Speaks: Georgian*, English, Russian | Message 69 of 426 09 February 2012 at 6:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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TixhiiDon,
Confirmed! Although you could also use "მეცადინეობა" for "studying" and you could say "დღეს ქართული ენის გრამატიკა ვიმეცადინე." 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5251 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 70 of 426 12 February 2012 at 1:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I finally finished watching the second season of Nichieri! I didn't watch the first one... Don't really want to
either since the third one has started and I can watch it live on the Rustavi2 iPhone app. If I learned anything it is "ara chveulebrevi!" I don't think there was one person they DIDN'T think was arachveulebrevi! ;) Just kidding, I learned a lot, which is weird because I didn't think there would be much point in watching something like this when I barely understand the language. But actually, Georgian went from being a bunch of Georgian sounds, to sounding like an actual language! I guess it's like the exoticness of the language is gone, but in a good way... That's the only way I can think to explain it. It just sounds less mysterious and alien to me now. Anyway, I think that even if I only learned a few words, it was still very beneficial. But I'll have to keep learning new vocabulary/grammar, because right now it still sounds to me like "blah blah blah ara chveulebrevi iyo blah blah dzalian lamazi blah blah blah me vambob kis!" But that's better than before when it sounded like blah blah blah blah blah blah sami ki! ;) Now I just have one suggestion for them, You know how they put water bottles on the judges' table as an advertisement? Well I think they should do that, but instead with tissues and put them on Sopo's table. :| She's a bit... dramatic...haha. But I like her, she's an ara chveulebrevi momgherali! I also have to answer my own question from earlier about the podcasts. There are some on iTunes from the Regional Reporters Network. Can't tell you what they're about though, since I can't understand. But I assume it is politics/news. And like I mentioned above, there is the live Rustavi2 stream. It's kind of buggy, but it works decently most of the time. Not very high quality audio or video, but tolerable. I think it's worth it! :) Edited by zecchino1991 on 12 February 2012 at 1:39am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5251 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 71 of 426 12 February 2012 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Ok, time for some questions. In chapter 9 of Kiziria it says "let's eat" is მოდი ვჭამოთ. If optative verbs are
formed from the future tense, what is the future tense of "eat"? Because ვჭამოთ doesn't look like it comes from a future tense... Next question. You know how when the word romeli comes before a word in the dative, it becomes just "romel"? Well what happens to the word "rogori"? Because wouldn't it become "rogor", which is a different word and would be confusing? Last thing, I am imagining this, or do people sometimes say "ari" instead of "aris"? I can't remember the exact context in which I heard that, but I heard it more than once. But maybe I was hearing wrong... Edit: One more - მიიღო. Is this the aorist? Because it looks like optative. But the translation says "he received" with "he" in the ergative. Edited by zecchino1991 on 12 February 2012 at 10:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Murdoc Triglot Senior Member Georgia Joined 5247 days ago 113 posts - 208 votes Speaks: Georgian*, English, Russian | Message 72 of 426 13 February 2012 at 12:16am | IP Logged | ||||||||
The ones I can answer:
Future tense would be "შევჭამოთ". But both "მოდი ვჭამოთ" და "მოდი შევჭამოთ" are right, with a slight difference in their meaning. მოდი ვჭამოთ – Let's eat (generally, like "I'm hungry, let's eat") მოდი შევჭამოთ – Let's eat (this) (like "this cake looks good, let's eat it")
It does become "rogor".
Not sometimes, we do it very often in informal speech. Another example is saying "mara" instead of "magram". Edited by Murdoc on 13 February 2012 at 12:23am 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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