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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4695 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 153 of 344 13 December 2012 at 11:41am | IP Logged | ||
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Comme j'aurai pas de temps ce soir, j'ai décidé d'étudier la leçon de révision ce matin (le Breton sans peine, bien sûr). Mais c'était un cauchemar; la dialogue était vraiment incompréhensible à la première écoute et il me semble que j'ai rien retenu (ce qui est jamais vrai, mais c'est un peu lourd, le breton, au moins maintenant avec tous ces autres soucis). Il faut dire que, normalement, je fais mes traductions sans le livre; j'essaie de les faire seulement en écoutant l’enregistrement, mais je vois de plus en plus que ça marche pas directement; il me faut vraiment toujours regarder le texte. Peut-être il vaut mieux revenir à la dernière méthode; traduire en utilisant et l'enregistrement et le texte, mais l'idée était d'améliorer mes compétences orales; ça sera dommage si je ne réussis pas. Je reçois déjà mal de pratique, comment savoir si je comprends la langue sans n'avoir écouté que des rares fois? Peut-être je vais ajouter une chose pour la deuxième vague; réécouter les enregistrements pour vérifier si j'ai tout compris. Et rappelons que je suis arrivé à la 42ème leçon; il me reste qu'une semaine avant de commencer la deuxième vague. Et donc, un synopsis de la grammaire de la semaine... Le Breton sans peine, jusqu'à la 42ème leçon Cette semaine a introduit une nouvelle série des mutations (qui se produisent après des particules verbales e et o) qui s'appelle la mutation mixte. Et je vous montrerai exactement pourquoi: comparez avec la mutation adoucissante; Les consonnes qui peuvent muter sont: K T P G D M B GW. Rappelons que pour la première mutation (les mutations ADOUCISSANTES), les mutations sont les suivantes (l'exception qui existe pour les noms masculins en commençant par k après l'article ar et le possessif hor (nôtre) mis à part) K --> G (kazhez (chatte), ar gazhez (la chatte) T --> D (taol (table), an daol (la table) P --> B (pourmen (promener), me a pourmen (je promène) G --> C'H (gouzoug (gorge), ar c'houzoug (la gorge) D --> Z (dizoleiñ(découvrir), ar vro a zizolez (tu découvres le pays) B --> V (bro (pays), ar vro (le pays) M --> V (malizenn (valise), ar valizenn (la valise) GW --> W (gwelan (voir), me a welan (Je vois). Mais pour la serie mixte, les mutations sont les suivantes: K, T, P ne mutent pas. Soyant déjà dures, ils gardent leur forme D mute en T (Bremañ e teskan (Maintenant j'apprends) Les autres consonnes font leur mutations dans les mêmes conditions que les mutations adoucissantes, donc G --> C'H, GW --> W, M --> V, B --> V. D est donc une consonne un peu erratique; elle ne mute pas après l'article; si elle mute autrefois, c'est en Z; mais après e et o elle mute en T. Les Verbes Maintenant je sais comment conjuguer tous les verbes au présent, mis à part gouzout (savoir). Ober et la forme de location de bezañ sont tout à fait regulier (base ra- et ema-), et on sait maintenant que les terminaisons sont les suivantes -an -ez - (la base verbale) -omp -it -ont (il existe également un impersonnel; ça se termine par -er) En plus, les noms des mois et des jours sont a) toujours masculins et b)commencent par une MAJUSCULE. Merc'her. Sadorn. Sul. Kerzu. Pour des noms qui peuvent s'appliquer à soit les hommes, soit les femmes, il suffit d'ajouter -ez pour former le féminin. Medisin (médécin), medisinez (la doctoresse). Veuillez noter également que si le métier soit écrit comme ça: paotr-al-lizheroù (le facteur, litteralement le gars-les-lettres), il faut remplaçer paotr par plac'h (fille) pour obtenir "la facteuse". (Et on peut construire des jolis métiers comme ça; un boueux est un "paotr-an-traoù- lous", un gars-les-choses-sales!) C'est tout pour maintenant. Quand je sais comment utiliser l'imparfait en breton j'aurai probablement le courage d'écrire en breton ici (mais pour ces petits extraits grammaticales je continuerai d'utiliser soit le français soit l'anglais). Edited by tarvos on 13 December 2012 at 11:42am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Marishka Newbie United States Joined 5236 days ago 25 posts - 56 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French, Dutch | Message 154 of 344 14 December 2012 at 7:20am | IP Logged | ||
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Dutch With Ease Update
Lessons 36-42 I'm now exactly halfway through the passive wave and just one week away from the beginning of the active wave. I've been going over my list of neuter nouns every day, but new ones are added in each lesson (65 so far), so I don't have all of these down yet. In fact, I had to look up a few of these nouns in the dictionary. After all, what's the point of knowing it's a het or de noun if you don't know what the word means? I didn't even remember those particular words being in the lessons, so I was apparently asleep at the wheel at some point in my study sessions. It makes me wonder what else I'm not remembering. Fortunately, there have been some helpful tips on how to recognize some of the het nouns. For example, diminutives are always neuter, so while "the dog" is de hond, "the little dog" is het hondje. And in the review lesson this week, it was pointed out that nouns ending in -ier are usually neuter when they denote objects, but when referring to people, they aren't. Speaking of nouns, Dutch is full of compound nouns and most of them are smushed together into a single word. Some of these compound nouns are really loooooong. A few examples: relativiteitstheorie (theory of relativity), verkeersongeval (traffic accident), levensverzekering (life insurance policy), elektriciteitsrekeningen (electric bills). Not quite as long as supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, but close. ;-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4877 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 155 of 344 14 December 2012 at 7:41am | IP Logged | ||
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Le Grec ancien: 21-28
I set a timer for thirty minutes now, and when it goes off I'm done for the day. There is too much information to take in, and I need to remind myself: this is the passive phase, and that I'll be going back over these lessons actively in a month or two. Last week I was thinking that Assimil might not be the best way to start an 'exotic' language [i.e., not Germanic or Romantic]. Then a snuck a peek at my 1940's TY Greek, which is full of rules and charts. It would be intense to use a classic system like that. Now I'm back to thinking that Assimil might be a great method for exotic languages - when the time comes to actively study it I'll have a general sense of the overall structure, even if I can't remember a single case or declension. I'll probably change and adjust my opinion a couple dozen more times before I'm done. The timer helps. It keeps me focused, and prevents me from spending too much time on a lesson, which was just getting frustrating. For the lessons themselves: we're still following the students Aristipos and Kottalos as their pedotribus makes them run, sweat, and wrestle in the hot summer sun. It all seems vaguely homoerotic, but I might just be projecting. There are also random quotes from Aristotle and Plato to remind you that Greek can be serious business. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Emme Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5335 days ago 980 posts - 1594 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German Studies: Russian, Swedish, French | Message 156 of 344 14 December 2012 at 7:48pm | IP Logged | ||
Il nuovo russo senza sforzo, Italian edition of Le Nouveau Russe sans peine.
I totally share that feeling, but what makes it even worse is that I’m not just forgetting single words, but entire grammar explanations. Right now I’m on lesson 32 of the first passive wave and I’m alternating days in which I tackle a new lesson and days in which I review one of the earlier ones (currently lesson 12). It’s almost a shock to realize that even though I went through these earlier lessons just a month ago, I seem not to remember whole sections of grammar explanation. And I’m not talking about forgetting the technicalities or the finer points of the explanation: I’m completely lost on whether or not I’ve already encountered, say, an explanation of the accusative case or of a modal verb. It’s quite disheartening, if you think about it! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6585 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 159 of 344 16 December 2012 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Today I tried to write a little in Norwegian in our TEAM VIKING thread.♥ I spelled jordbærsyltetøyet almost correctly. 8 assimil lessons under my belt. Edited by Serpent on 16 December 2012 at 5:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| JohannaNYC Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4440 days ago 251 posts - 361 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English*, Italian Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Arabic (Egyptian) | Message 160 of 344 17 December 2012 at 10:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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Italian with Ease: Lessons 0-8
This is my first time using Assimil, so other than learning a lot I wasn't sure what to expect. Knowing Spanish, of course is a great asset for learning Italian, but I didn't think it would be that easy. In the last few lessons I understood about 95% of the dialogue the first time I listened to the recording with the book closed. I'm more of the speak from the day 1 type person, so this passive wave is not sitting well with me at all. So I'm the first official casualty of this experiment. I will continue to use Assimil, as it obviously has a lot of useful material and high quality audio, but I must add other methods to my learning. Good luck to everyone! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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