James29 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5365 days ago 1265 posts - 2113 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French
| Message 137 of 271 24 July 2012 at 2:55am | IP Logged |
Great post. You are spot on with everything. Stay motivated!
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dbag Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5012 days ago 605 posts - 1046 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 138 of 271 07 August 2012 at 11:51pm | IP Logged |
Thanks James!
I think my motivation is pretty much back! I think the main problem was that I couldn't
listen to any native content while my tablet was being repaired, which really knocked
me off my stride.
I've decided to pretty much park the last few units of FSI for a bit. That may sound
strange with me being so close to the end (unit 50) but I really need to keep things
fresh, and more drills just isn't what I need right at the moment.
Inspired by one of randomreview,s posts, I decided to start working with Assimil Using
Spanish again, and start shadowing some of the dialogues in Spanish with Ease.
Using Spanish is a beautiful course. I don't use it everyday like I did with ease
though, because I think it would be to constrictive to have to use any one course at
this kind of level.
Believe it or not, I really feel like shadowing "with ease" is going to be of a lot of
help, even after all I have done. There are some quite complex dialogues in that course
really, some of them I would contend are actually more complex than any thing in FSI.
I think the important thing with shadowing though is that it will allow me to improve
my accent and intonation, at the same time as picking up on all those little details I
missed before. I have started with CD 2.
I still feel like I need to be working harder though, but I suppose its only natural to
be on cruise control for a while.
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James29 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5365 days ago 1265 posts - 2113 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French
| Message 139 of 271 08 August 2012 at 12:26am | IP Logged |
You are right that Assimil w/ Ease is a great course and the dialogues are packed with vocab, idioms and grammar. Fairly recently I started listening to the dialogues again and had "forgotten" much of it so it was kind of new again. Even after going over every lesson so many times I think you will still be able to pick things up... especially after doing so much FSI. Now that I am an intermediate I can just listen very carefully to the lessons and actually feel like I have time to "think" about everything they are saying... that helps me pick up nuances.
I can also relate to what you are experiencing with FSI. Those last bunch of lessons are a long tough slog. If I remember correctly I stopped for a while somewhere near the beginning of Unit IV. I highly recommend coming back to FSI when you are ready... Unit IV was the best unit of all. It really gets into the tough things. Some of the dialogue build ups in Unit IV are way too long, however.
I forget if you have done Without Toil or not (I know you have it!). That book is absolutely packed with Spanish. It definitely has more Spanish than With Ease. I was not crazy about the audio in Without Toil (mainly because the first third was too slow for an intermediate and the recording of the last third was quite rough), but I have been thinking that spending some time with the book may be worth the effort.
Using Spanish does indeed look like an awesome course. It seems daunting and I have often thought exactly what you said - that you must also use other resources at the same time. The problem (I think) is that that means it will take forever to get through the course if I don't work on it every day.
We are at the intermediate "wall" and going on cruise control is certainly natural. I feel I am slacking right now doing all this LR. As long as you we still enjoying it and still progressing... that is what matters.
Keep up the good work... you are keeping us motivated.
Edited for typo.
Edited by James29 on 08 August 2012 at 12:29am
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talkl Diglot Groupie Israel Joined 5226 days ago 51 posts - 61 votes Speaks: Modern Hebrew*, English Studies: Spanish
| Message 140 of 271 09 August 2012 at 1:51pm | IP Logged |
dbag wrote:
Okay, so I'm back after my two week "sabbatical". I'm glad I took a
break, I feel that
constantly checking in on the forum can become a very unproductive habit, and much like
face-booking, is something that needs to be kept in check.
Well, I can't say I've made any progress on the Spanish front. I've not done any new
FSI for sometime, but I have revised a few of the earlier units. I've also wrote a
little on the lenguajero Facebook Page. A good tip actually, if you "like" a Spanish
Page on Facebook, you will receive updates in your newsfeed, which means you get to
read a little Spanish everyday.
I have also read several articles in "el pais".
I feel like I'm at a danger-point with my Spanish, I imagine many people drop out at
around this stage of learning a language. I feel like most courses available don't have
that much more for me to learn, but at the same time native material is enough of a
challenge
that's it's not really "fun".
I guess this is how marathon runners must feel about 10 miles in. Exhausted, and
daunted at the prospect of the long and painful road ahead.
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This is one of your better posts lately. I have recently reached the B1 higher levels
and am trying to think how can i move on to B2.
When thinking about how i learned English as an adolescent it all come down to spending
hours of reading books, watching tv, speaking etc.
If the classic workbook programs do not help you so much as they did before, switch
blatantly to native material.
Read an Ebook, watch netflix latin america movies, talk every day to natives over
skype.
The progress will be felt if you invest hundereds of hours in it.
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Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5773 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German
| Message 141 of 271 10 August 2012 at 1:41am | IP Logged |
At James29 and dbag: I'm actually going to miss reading your logs when I take my upcoming
break from Spanish. I was surfing the web reading about (English) prepositions and
wishing I had the "energy" to practice my Spanish on a language exchange site; I just
read this and somehow felt energized again! I'm off to get some practice... :-)
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dbag Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5012 days ago 605 posts - 1046 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 142 of 271 20 August 2012 at 6:12pm | IP Logged |
Before I reply to everyone, I have some exciting news!…......I have booked a ticket to
fly into Santiago, in Chile on September 11th, and will be flying out of Buenos Aires
in Argentina at the end of October!
I decided that it didn't make much sense to go to Asia, when I have invested so much
time learning Spanish. I'll update properly later, I'm buzzing at the moment and can't
quite think clearly!
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sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5381 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish
| Message 143 of 271 20 August 2012 at 9:07pm | IP Logged |
How exciting! I'd love to plan for a Latin American trip but that will have to be for the
not so near future. Travel is a great motivator for language learning and I think you'll
find that you'll have a much different, richer experience being able to speak the
language than you would have had having to stick to English only. Bon voyage!
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tibbles Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5181 days ago 245 posts - 422 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Korean
| Message 144 of 271 21 August 2012 at 8:58am | IP Logged |
That's super news that you're going to Santiago. I was there in late May, and it was excellent. You will have a great time there.
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