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monkeyintown Triglot Newbie ThailandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6092 days ago 10 posts - 10 votes Speaks: Thai*, English, Japanese Studies: Spanish
| Message 57 of 80 19 May 2008 at 9:41am | IP Logged |
Fränzi wrote:
Definitely. Personally, I think being proud of your country is irrational and quite silly.
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Well I do. And personally, I don't think I'm silly. And Personally, I think the people who aren't proud of theirs perhaps they just simply don't have anything about their countries to be proud of.But I do, a lot. It's okay be proud of, it's also okay not to be proud of. But I think that people who say that people who love their country are silly, are silly, personally. :)
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| RubyJewelStone Newbie United States cdtoot.goin.toRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6038 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Portuguese, German
| Message 58 of 80 19 May 2008 at 10:29am | IP Logged |
My goodness...Political Correctness gone mad...
I think it has been a rather fascinating discussion personally. And like some others have said, I would think that people here would be mature enough to not take it as a personal attack. After all, this is the internet.
Furthermore, I would think we would have the right to voice our opinion, right or wrong. Besides, just because a person says a language is ugly, does not make it so. Even if a large amount of people agree, it does not equate to truth (after all, a large amount of people used to believe the earth is flat. I hardly think majorities are very trustworthy, anyway.)
Overall, I think the disagreements would make for some very interesting discussions.
Now, I would say French is not a favorite of mine. To me, it reminds me of someone who went to the dentist and got their mouth numbed, so that they're too numbed to pronounce the whole word.
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7161 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish
| Message 59 of 80 19 May 2008 at 10:37am | IP Logged |
monkeyintown wrote:
Fränzi wrote:
Definitely. Personally, I think being proud of your country is irrational and quite silly.
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Well I do. And personally, I don't think I'm silly. And Personally, I think the people who aren't proud of theirs perhaps they just simply don't have anything about their countries to be proud of.But I do, a lot. It's okay be proud of, it's also okay not to be proud of. But I think that people who say that people who love their country are silly, are silly, personally. :) |
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Or... we just don't attach much importance to our countries, nation or even ethnic background. There are other things in life that are worthy of being cherished, after all.
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| jody Senior Member United States Joined 6243 days ago 242 posts - 252 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Bulgarian
| Message 60 of 80 19 May 2008 at 10:42am | IP Logged |
monkeyintown wrote:
Fränzi wrote:
Definitely. Personally, I think being proud of your country is irrational and quite silly.
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Well I do. And personally, I don't think I'm silly. And Personally, I think the people who aren't proud of theirs perhaps they just simply don't have anything about their countries to be proud of.But I do, a lot. It's okay be proud of, it's also okay not to be proud of. But I think that people who say that people who love their country are silly, are silly, personally. :) |
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Well, I think people that say that other people are silly, are silly. But I just said called somebody silly. So I must be silly! We're all just silly. :)
I used to think that German sounded like somebody clearing their throat and just grunting. But then I actually listened to some German, and it doesn't sound like that at all! It does have some "rough" sounds, but I actually think it sounds nice. Just like the person who talked about Chinese. In America, we seem to think that Chinese is just "ching chang chong". There's even a joke that says, "How do Chinese people name their children? They throw the pots and pans on the floor and use the first three sounds." Obviously this is an exaggeration, but many americans really feel that way about Chinese...but few have actually listened to more than 10 words.
I personally enjoy listening to long readings in many languages, even when I have no idea what is being said. It lets me experience the true sound of the language. Now that I have done this with Chinese (and German) I think they are two of my favorite languages to hear! I think you just have to be open minded and give them a chance. But if you still don't like a language...that's okay. English is my language but I think it's ugly. :)
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| ChristopherB Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 6321 days ago 851 posts - 1074 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, German, French
| Message 61 of 80 19 May 2008 at 11:27am | IP Logged |
monkeyintown wrote:
Fränzi wrote:
Definitely. Personally, I think being proud of your country is irrational and quite silly.
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Well I do. And personally, I don't think I'm silly. And Personally, I think the people who aren't proud of theirs perhaps they just simply don't have anything about their countries to be proud of.But I do, a lot. It's okay be proud of, it's also okay not to be proud of. But I think that people who say that people who love their country are silly, are silly, personally. :) |
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At the risk of pulling this entire thread off-topic (which I may have already done)...I'm not saying anyone's silly. I'm merely saying that I think the concept of being proud of a country you were incidentally born into without your consent or choice makes no sense to me. That is, the idea seems nonsensical to me. Then again, there are those who equate loving your country with pride. I guess it's ultimately a matter of semantics. I just don't feel I've acheived anything (other than contribute tax perhaps!) that has made my country what it is, therefore I see no real reason to stand tall and say I'm "proud" of it. After all, if everyone is expected to be proud of their country, no matter what it is, then doesn't that render the country itself somewhat irrelevant?
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| Ayane Newbie United States isby-girlfriend.smac Joined 6090 days ago 32 posts - 32 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin
| Message 62 of 80 19 May 2008 at 1:43pm | IP Logged |
Fränzi wrote:
monkeyintown wrote:
Fränzi wrote:
Definitely. Personally, I think being proud of your country is irrational and quite silly.
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Well I do. And personally, I don't think I'm silly. And Personally, I think the people who aren't proud of theirs perhaps they just simply don't have anything about their countries to be proud of.But I do, a lot. It's okay be proud of, it's also okay not to be proud of. But I think that people who say that people who love their country are silly, are silly, personally. :) |
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At the risk of pulling this entire thread off-topic (which I may have already done)...I'm not saying anyone's silly. I'm merely saying that I think the concept of being proud of a country you were incidentally born into without your consent or choice makes no sense to me. That is, the idea seems nonsensical to me. Then again, there are those who equate loving your country with pride. I guess it's ultimately a matter of semantics. I just don't feel I've acheived anything (other than contribute tax perhaps!) that has made my country what it is, therefore I see no real reason to stand tall and say I'm "proud" of it. After all, if everyone is expected to be proud of their country, no matter what it is, then doesn't that render the country itself somewhat irrelevant? |
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That's exactly how I feel. I don't see how you can be proud of something that you were born with. You can be glad about it, but proud, I don't get. I understand if your proud of something you earned and worked hard on...like learning a language for example, but for something you had no real part in, I don't see what you can be proud of since you didn't achieve anything! xD
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| Erubey Triglot Groupie United States Joined 6235 days ago 82 posts - 92 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, Japanese Studies: Mandarin
| Message 63 of 80 19 May 2008 at 2:56pm | IP Logged |
Vietnamese. I used to think that whole CHING CHONG exaggeration was dumb and showed a lack of knowledge on how it actually sounds. But out of all, mandarin, cantonese, thai, lao, etc, Vietnamese still sounds to me like the same noises repeated and ummm funny I would say. I just don't find the slightest nuance of beauty in it spoken.
To continue bashing this language, though I don't mean disrespect, the written style is also just the ugliest thing this side of Welsh I've seen. Since they use the French alphabet and also use tones, it just looks like a mess. It has all the characteristics of a chinese related language but not the characters or scripts(thai) for it that make it amazing.
Sorry vietnamese...
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| Quinn Senior Member United States Joined 6328 days ago 134 posts - 186 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Italian, Spanish
| Message 64 of 80 19 May 2008 at 3:24pm | IP Logged |
Erubey wrote:
To continue bashing this language, though I don't mean disrespect, the written style is also just the ugliest thing this side of Welsh I've seen. Since they use the French alphabet and also use tones, it just looks like a mess. |
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Actually, you can blame that on France. After all, it's not like the Vietnamese asked to be colonized by a nation with a Latin alphabet.
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