Sir Nigel Senior Member United States Joined 7104 days ago 1126 posts - 1102 votes 2 sounds
| Message 49 of 67 18 April 2006 at 11:23pm | IP Logged |
M-Squared wrote:
So, in what other languages does the English "th" sound appear? |
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I hear an equivalent sound in Spanish spoken in most of Spain on C before E and I and Zed.
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Zelaia Tetraglot Newbie El Salvador Joined 6809 days ago 29 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Spanish*, FrenchC1, English, Portuguese Studies: Kurdish
| Message 50 of 67 19 April 2006 at 10:17am | IP Logged |
Arabic has the same sound of the english "th" and the Spanish "Z or C".
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nox Diglot Groupie Croatia Joined 6861 days ago 62 posts - 62 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English Studies: German
| Message 51 of 67 19 April 2006 at 1:42pm | IP Logged |
I hate THat sound!!
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Eriol Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6866 days ago 118 posts - 130 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Portuguese
| Message 52 of 67 19 April 2006 at 4:15pm | IP Logged |
M-Squared wrote:
So, in what other languages does the English "th" sound appear? It can't be
unique to English, can it? Does it appear in other Indo-European languages?
Any non-Indo-European languages? |
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Icelandic is of course the prime example. The language has two distinct letters that represent the two different th-sounds that are also present in english. Faroese and possibly also some other obscure scandinavian dialects have similar sounds, but I'm not sure exactly how they are pronounced.
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Eidolio Bilingual Octoglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 6861 days ago 159 posts - 164 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, Flemish*, French, English, Latin, Ancient Greek, Italian, Greek
| Message 53 of 67 20 April 2006 at 2:56pm | IP Logged |
"th" is found in both Ancient and Modern Greek, too.
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Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6894 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map
| Message 54 of 67 20 April 2006 at 3:36pm | IP Logged |
Well, English has two different sounds for "th", so we'd really need to treat them separately to properly address the issue.
But Spanish does have both sounds, or something very close.
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fanatic Octoglot Senior Member Australia speedmathematics.com Joined 7146 days ago 1152 posts - 1818 votes Speaks: English*, German, French, Afrikaans, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch Studies: Swedish, Norwegian, Polish, Modern Hebrew, Malay, Mandarin, Esperanto
| Message 55 of 67 21 April 2006 at 12:40am | IP Logged |
TDC wrote:
The "th" sound isn't all that difficult to make if you stick your tongue out. My students (Chinese last year, and Russian this year) have usually made this sound wrong, then I say stick your tongue out, and show them. Then they all laugh. Then they try to say th, and they do it just the same. So I force them to stick their tongues out and when they do it that way they get it right almost every single time on the first try. But then 10 minutes later their tongues are back in their mouths again. I don't know...I think it's just a cultural thing about sticking your tongue out that impedes this... |
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When I was in Germany I heard people say you make the TH sound by putting your tongue out between your teeth. I was surprised because I make the sound with my tongue behind my top teeth. The tip of my tongue is almost touching the roof of my mouth behind my teeth. My wife told me that I am not making the sound correctly if that is the case but no one has ever commented that I make the sound differently. When I hear recordings of my voice my Th's sound normal to me.
How do other native English speakers on the forum make the Th sound? Do you put your tongue out between your teeth, or make the sound like me, or do you make it some other way?
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Steve4nLanguage Diglot Newbie Taiwan Joined 6832 days ago 9 posts - 10 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Mandarin
| Message 56 of 67 21 April 2006 at 5:33am | IP Logged |
fanatic wrote:
When I was in Germany I heard people say you make the TH sound by putting your tongue out between your teeth. I was surprised because I make the sound with my tongue behind my top teeth. The tip of my tongue is almost touching the roof of my mouth behind my teeth. My wife told me that I am not making the sound correctly if that is the case but no one has ever commented that I make the sound differently. When I hear recordings of my voice my Th's sound normal to me.
How do other native English speakers on the forum make the Th sound? Do you put your tongue out between your teeth, or make the sound like me, or do you make it some other way? |
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I'm a native English speaker, and I put my tongue between my teeth for both the voiced and unvoiced 'TH' sounds. I tried forming the sounds the way you do, but I couldn't get the fricative quality (I think that's what it's called--the air escaping while making the sound) quite right.
I always figured that the English 'R' sound would be more difficult for non-native speakers to form. With the 'TH' sounds you can see what's happening with the tongue, but it's more difficult showing an English learner where the tongue is placed inside the mouth for the 'R' sound. It seems that even native speakers have problems with the 'R' since I hear young children mispronouncing it all the time.
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