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Sir Nigel
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 Message 49 of 67
18 April 2006 at 11:23pm | IP Logged 
M-Squared wrote:
So, in what other languages does the English "th" sound appear?


I hear an equivalent sound in Spanish spoken in most of Spain on C before E and I and Zed.
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Zelaia
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 Message 50 of 67
19 April 2006 at 10:17am | IP Logged 
Arabic has the same sound of the english "th" and the Spanish "Z or C".
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nox
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 Message 51 of 67
19 April 2006 at 1:42pm | IP Logged 
I hate THat sound!!
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Eriol
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 Message 52 of 67
19 April 2006 at 4:15pm | IP Logged 
M-Squared wrote:
So, in what other languages does the English "th" sound appear? It can't be
unique to English, can it? Does it appear in other Indo-European languages?
Any non-Indo-European languages?


Icelandic is of course the prime example. The language has two distinct letters that represent the two different th-sounds that are also present in english. Faroese and possibly also some other obscure scandinavian dialects have similar sounds, but I'm not sure exactly how they are pronounced.
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Eidolio
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 Message 53 of 67
20 April 2006 at 2:56pm | IP Logged 
"th" is found in both Ancient and Modern Greek, too.
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 Message 54 of 67
20 April 2006 at 3:36pm | IP Logged 
Well, English has two different sounds for "th", so we'd really need to treat them separately to properly address the issue.

But Spanish does have both sounds, or something very close.
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 Message 55 of 67
21 April 2006 at 12:40am | IP Logged 
TDC wrote:
The "th" sound isn't all that difficult to make if you stick your tongue out. My students (Chinese last year, and Russian this year) have usually made this sound wrong, then I say stick your tongue out, and show them. Then they all laugh. Then they try to say th, and they do it just the same. So I force them to stick their tongues out and when they do it that way they get it right almost every single time on the first try. But then 10 minutes later their tongues are back in their mouths again. I don't know...I think it's just a cultural thing about sticking your tongue out that impedes this...


When I was in Germany I heard people say you make the TH sound by putting your tongue out between your teeth. I was surprised because I make the sound with my tongue behind my top teeth. The tip of my tongue is almost touching the roof of my mouth behind my teeth. My wife told me that I am not making the sound correctly if that is the case but no one has ever commented that I make the sound differently. When I hear recordings of my voice my Th's sound normal to me.

How do other native English speakers on the forum make the Th sound? Do you put your tongue out between your teeth, or make the sound like me, or do you make it some other way?
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Steve4nLanguage
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 Message 56 of 67
21 April 2006 at 5:33am | IP Logged 
fanatic wrote:
When I was in Germany I heard people say you make the TH sound by putting your tongue out between your teeth. I was surprised because I make the sound with my tongue behind my top teeth. The tip of my tongue is almost touching the roof of my mouth behind my teeth. My wife told me that I am not making the sound correctly if that is the case but no one has ever commented that I make the sound differently. When I hear recordings of my voice my Th's sound normal to me.

How do other native English speakers on the forum make the Th sound? Do you put your tongue out between your teeth, or make the sound like me, or do you make it some other way?


I'm a native English speaker, and I put my tongue between my teeth for both the voiced and unvoiced 'TH' sounds. I tried forming the sounds the way you do, but I couldn't get the fricative quality (I think that's what it's called--the air escaping while making the sound) quite right.

I always figured that the English 'R' sound would be more difficult for non-native speakers to form. With the 'TH' sounds you can see what's happening with the tongue, but it's more difficult showing an English learner where the tongue is placed inside the mouth for the 'R' sound. It seems that even native speakers have problems with the 'R' since I hear young children mispronouncing it all the time.





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