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| Emerald Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom languagedabbler.blog Joined 6273 days ago 316 posts - 340 votes  Speaks: Hindi, Gujarati*, English Studies: Spanish | Message 9 of 77 13 July 2008 at 10:47am | IP Logged | ||
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I achieved fluency in three foreign laguages (reading. listening, speaking, writing, pronunciation) without the aid of conversation. Conversations always disappointed me. I am semi-fluent in a number of other languages - I can read novels, understand the radio and speak and write in a rather clumsy way, good example is my English. By the way, I've never used any courses.[/QUOTE] If you haven't used any courses, and you don't do much conversation, so what methods have you used to achieve fluency/semi-fluency? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Paul999 Newbie Czech Republic Joined 6082 days ago 12 posts - 14 votes Speaks: English | Message 11 of 77 13 July 2008 at 11:51am | IP Logged | ||
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You can achieve fluency by listening and also by repetitive listening the same content.
It's boring but very powerful. By extremely heavy listening you will eventually think in the target language all day long for one year to comprehensible input simply lead to native-like fluency and even good pronunciation come by itself. You do not need produce the language at all.(silent period) for two years. Only interesting input - that's all you need. The more you will delay conversation the better. At the early stage a conversation with native speaker can be stressful and unpleasant. Simply because you cannot express yourself even if you really want to. That may be harmful. As long as you are "fluent" than you can carry on a conversation with a native speaker (about global warming for example.) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| sajro Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6024 days ago 129 posts - 131 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 12 of 77 13 July 2008 at 11:59am | IP Logged | ||
Most native English speakers (at least around here) don't, either. :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| gogglehead Triglot Senior Member Argentina Joined 6103 days ago 248 posts - 320 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Russian, Italian | Message 13 of 77 14 July 2008 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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I cannot agree with Paul 999 AT ALL! Maybe the "never engage in conversation until you can speak like shakespeare" approach has worked for him, but I would not recommend delaying conversation until then. By the way, in what way do you think it could be "harmful"? Have you heard the saying "you learn from your mistakes"? In my humble opinion, conversation the best way, everything else, pimsleur, FSI, etc are secondary tools. Listening is good, but only using authentic materials. This wil prepare you for real life encounters. Again, I will stress that I don't claim to be an expert, but I really think you should dive into conversation as soon (and if) you can, for example if you had a friend who was a native speaker of your target language, you would notice your progress on a daily basis. This perhaps, would motivate you further.
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| Felipe Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6058 days ago 451 posts - 501 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Italian, Dutch, Catalan | Message 14 of 77 14 July 2008 at 1:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think that listening definitely has its place and it is good to help you reach fluency, but actively conversing is what gets you over the top. Maybe a conversation with a native is a bit intimidating at first, but the way to overcome the intimidation is to face up to it. Get some basic skills in the target language and then dive in, let people correct you when you make mistakes, and never stop learning. Edited by Felipe on 14 July 2008 at 2:32pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Paul999 Newbie Czech Republic Joined 6082 days ago 12 posts - 14 votes Speaks: English | Message 15 of 77 14 July 2008 at 3:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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About making mistakes http://www.antimoon.com/how/mistakes-damage.htm About silent period http://www.sdkrashen.com/articles/what_does_it_take/all.html 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Mycroft Diglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 6009 days ago 9 posts - 9 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: French, Spanish | Message 16 of 77 14 July 2008 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think Paul999 has a point. I've just come back to French learning after many years and found that I pronounce some words really badly. My boyfriend and I have been in the habit of speaking bad French to one another and our 'joke' accents have stuck. I'm going to have to un-learn a lot of bad practice. I know this doesn't count as real conversation but it supports the point that practice doesn't make perfect, only perfect practice makes perfect.
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