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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6704 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 49 of 51 31 May 2012 at 10:41am | IP Logged |
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
Iversen wrote:
Numbers are especially hard because you mostly see large numbers written as numbers and not as language. |
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It may be true, but surrounding words help. For example, as soon as I see something like "Message 45 of 47" (as in your post), I can't but see the numbers as "forty-five" and "forty-seven". |
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Maybe not in English, but if you didn't already know "forty-five" and "forty-seven" you would probably translate 45 and 47 into your native language - or in no language at all but just pure mathematics. Numbers in the middle of a texts are like Chinese ideogrammes - either you know them or you are lost. If on the other hand all numbers were written in full in all texts then learning how to deal with them would be much easier.
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| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4750 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish
| Message 50 of 51 31 May 2012 at 5:01pm | IP Logged |
In English you can say either Us two or The two of us (yeah, in colloquial language: It is us ;), or put a title ''Us two'' under a picture)
So, as a subject you can use:
in English; The two of us (Nominative+Genitive), Us two (accusative), We two (nominative)
in Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian: Nas dvojica/dvoje/dvije [''of us two''] (Genitive+Nominative)
in Slovenian: Midva/midve ['' We two''] (nominative) [and it takes dual]
in Italian: noi due (nominative + number)
in Brazilian Portuguese: nós dois (nominative+ number)
in continental Portuguese: nós os dois (nominative + plural article + number)
Edited by Camundonguinho on 31 May 2012 at 5:23pm
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| fiziwig Senior Member United States Joined 4866 days ago 297 posts - 618 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 51 of 51 31 May 2012 at 6:27pm | IP Logged |
I had a lot of trouble learning Spanish numbers so I made up a set of physical flashcards each with one single digit. The deck had 30 cards; three copies of each digit. Then I shuffled the deck and dealt out four cards face up left to right and said the number aloud. So if I dealt out "1843" I would say "mil ochocientos cuarenta y tres".
At first it was slow going, and I had to refer to my cheat sheet of number names on every call. I practiced for a solid hour every day and by the end of a week I could say any number immediately and without hesitation every time. I also made it a habit to speak license plate numbers when I was driving.
I put away the deck after that and forgot about it for a couple weeks. Then I ran into some dates in a book I was reading and discovered that on a few of the dates I hesitated a little, but I got most of them with ease. So I took out the deck and practiced for an hour a day for three days. That was 5 or 6 months ago and so far I have retained my ability to speak a number instantly and without hesitation, and surprisingly, to understand numbers I hear spoken even though I didn't specifically practice that.
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