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| ParkeNYU Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4919 days ago 11 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 97 of 116 19 August 2011 at 10:16am | IP Logged | ||
This is merely the popular outlook because of the global dominance of phonetic writing. In principle, the written word is equally as valid as the spoken word. A language need not be fundamentally auditory; it may be based on images as well. An example of this is computer languages, which are indeed real languages. Or maybe just the fact that you can read and understand Classical Chinese and have no idea how to pronounce any of the characters (like me). Edited by ParkeNYU on 19 August 2011 at 10:19am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| cntrational Triglot Groupie India Joined 5127 days ago 49 posts - 66 votes  Speaks: Hindi, Telugu, English* Studies: French | Message 98 of 116 19 August 2011 at 3:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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I seriously doubt you know how to read Classical Chinese without being able to pronounce it -- you more likely know how to read it with Japanese (or Mandarin, or Korean) "readings", in the same way someone could learn Latin while using an English or German style pronunciation.
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| ParkeNYU Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4919 days ago 11 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 99 of 116 19 August 2011 at 6:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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Admittedly, my knowledge of Japanese, Mandarin, and Korean makes it nearly impossible to resist mentally attaching some reading to most characters. However, this does not mean that one cannot read Classical Chinese without associating any sounds with the characters. As an example, if you learned the characters based on flash-cards that had, for example, a picture of someone sleeping with the characters 睡, 眠, 寝, 疲, or 覺 next to it, you would associate that character with the concept of sleeping or fatigue, even if you knew no spoken language at all. Apply this process to the remaining characters, and you would be able to reap meaning from Classical Chinese sentences without even entering the realm of sound. I concede that this is a very rare scenario, but I am simply pointing out its principle and possibility. Even I find myself in this situation when I encounter a character for which I had forgotten or never even learned any corresponding reading, and yet somehow know, remember, or can at least guess its meaning. Edited by ParkeNYU on 19 August 2011 at 6:45pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| cntrational Triglot Groupie India Joined 5127 days ago 49 posts - 66 votes Speaks: Hindi, Telugu, English* Studies: French | Message 100 of 116 19 August 2011 at 6:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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You would attach some language to the picture, it could be English, Heisig style.
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| ParkeNYU Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4919 days ago 11 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 101 of 116 19 August 2011 at 6:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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Like I said, if you knew no spoken language, you would only associate the concept with the image.
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| cntrational Triglot Groupie India Joined 5127 days ago 49 posts - 66 votes Speaks: Hindi, Telugu, English* Studies: French | Message 102 of 116 20 August 2011 at 7:37am | IP Logged | ||
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How many people don't know a language? Virtually everybody knows a language, either spoken or signed. People who don't know a language have severe learning problems for the rest of their lives. Edited by cntrational on 20 August 2011 at 7:43am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ParkeNYU Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4919 days ago 11 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 103 of 116 20 August 2011 at 7:52am | IP Logged | ||
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I didn't think about it before, but you're right. Sign language is a perfect example of a language that is removed from the auditory realm. Surely a person who is born deaf can communicate without relying on sound. If a person born deaf were to read Classical Chinese, no sounds whatsoever would come to mind. Only meaning. Edited by ParkeNYU on 20 August 2011 at 7:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| cntrational Triglot Groupie India Joined 5127 days ago 49 posts - 66 votes Speaks: Hindi, Telugu, English* Studies: French | Message 104 of 116 20 August 2011 at 8:11am | IP Logged | ||
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A deaf person would think in sign if they were reading Classical Chinese.
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