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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6121 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes  22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 33 of 65 04 October 2009 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
If you are trying to upload the file through the "Sounds" section of this forum then the problem is probably that the file is too big. You cannot exceed 500k which limits you to a very short reading. If you want to share a longer reading, the best way to do it is to upload it to one of the free file hosting sites (such as mediafire.com) and then share it. By the way, it's Plato in English. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| psychicist Bilingual Octoglot Newbie Netherlands Joined 5567 days ago 9 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Dutch*, Hindi*, French, English, German, Spanish, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Greek, Persian, Sanskrit | Message 34 of 65 04 October 2009 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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NikolGr, I think it's much the same with "us" Indians, even if some of us like me were born, grew up or have lived all their lives abroad. I'm learning Persian and Sanskrit, but not many people seem to know that these languages are about as closely related as Hindi is to Sanskrit. With respect to Greek, I believe we did have to learn most details, but maybe your class' treatment of it was more thorough than mine.
I would appreciate it very much if you manage to upload the Plato part eventually. If you know of some web site where books or audio fragments in the classical or modern language could be downloaded, I would like to know very much. I have come to like and tend to listen to modern Greek music and learn to understand quite a lot, but when I hear people talk very fast, I get lost. The same was true for Spanish years ago, but with the years I have improved my reading and hearing skills of this beautiful language immensely, so now I actually can follow most but not all of the dialogue on TV. So far all I could find in old bookshops over here is a copy of the Iliad. It looks like I'd have to get most books and magazines I want to learn to read directly from Greece, but I don't know how. And yes, if you know of some video fragments or other material in which Katharevousa is being spoken, please let me know as well, because I think that is as close as classical Greek will ever be spoken in real life (outside of Greek Orthodox Church, that is). Now let me look for a copy of Antigone, I feel like catching up with understanding the characters and the text again :). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| NikolGr Newbie Greece myspace.com/hnikoleiRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5573 days ago 19 posts - 23 votes Studies: English* | Message 35 of 65 04 October 2009 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Thnx sooo much for the info and the correction :P
I'll do my best,I promise!
It is very difficul to find useful sites like those you ask.I'll try though,but I don't think that the results will be satisfying :(
Maybe I cannot help you find them,(although I will try)but if you don't know the titles of Ancient writings I can easily help you :)And generally I will try to find audio for you..
Try to understand something from this!and let me know! "Ἐπειδή δ’ἄγειν αὐτά πρός φῶς ἔμελλον, προσέταξαν Προμηθεῖ καί Ἐπιμηθεῖ κοσμῆσαί τε καί νεῖμαι δυνάμεις ἑκάστοις ὡς πρέπει. Προμηθέα δέ παραιτεῖται Ἐπιμηθεύς αὐτός νεῖμαι, «Νείμαντος δέ μου», ἔφη, «ἐπίσκεψαι». Καί οὕτω πείσας νέμει." later i will post the transalted text in Modern Greek and in English :) Edited by NikolGr on 04 October 2009 at 3:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| NikolGr Newbie Greece myspace.com/hnikoleiRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5573 days ago 19 posts - 23 votes Studies: English* | Message 36 of 65 04 October 2009 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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http://www.mediafire.com/?4gnyzmoagmr
This is what is heard in the file: Αρχαία Ελληνικά: Ἦν γάρ ποτέ χρόνος ὅτε θεοί μέν ἦσαν, θνητά δέ γένη οὐκ ἦν. Ἐπειδή δέ καί τούτοις χρόνος ἦλθεν εἱμαρμένος γενέσεως, τυποῦσιν αὐτά θεοί γῆς ἔνδον ἐκ γῆς και πυρός μείξαντες καί τῶν ὅσα πυρί καί γῇ κεράννυται. Μοντέρνα Ελληνικά: Υπήρξε κάποτε μια εποχή κατά την οποία υπήρχαν θεοί, ομως δεν υπήρχαν θνητά πλάσματα. Και όταν ήρθε και γι' αυτά ο καθορισμένος από τη μοίρα χρόνος για τη γέννησή τους, τα πλάθουν οι θεοί στο εσωτερικό της γης, αφού έκαναν μείγμα από χώμα και φωτιά και από όσα στοιχεία αναμειγνύονται με φωτιά και με χώμα. TRANSLATION IN English Ancient Greek(I cannot translated it!It can't be) Modern Greek: There was a time when gods existed, but mortal creatures did not existed. And when the determined by faith time came for them and their birth, gods molded them in the interior of the ground after doing a mix of earth and fire and (a mix of) things that can be mixed with fire and earth. [if you need any explanation,let me know please :) ] Edited by NikolGr on 04 October 2009 at 3:37pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| psychicist Bilingual Octoglot Newbie Netherlands Joined 5567 days ago 9 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Dutch*, Hindi*, French, English, German, Spanish, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Greek, Persian, Sanskrit | Message 37 of 65 04 October 2009 at 4:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I have a hard time translating some words, but I will give it a shot. Please correct me when I'm wrong:
When they were hesitating to lead them to the light, the powers ordered to Prometheus and Epimetheus to ornate themselves and return for all, as is adequate. And Epimetheus himself requested Prometheus to return, "And when I return", he said "you will see." And he governs by convincing in that way. Edited by psychicist on 04 October 2009 at 4:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| NikolGr Newbie Greece myspace.com/hnikoleiRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5573 days ago 19 posts - 23 votes Studies: English* | Message 38 of 65 04 October 2009 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
That is very VERY impressive!!Congradulations!Although you didn't get the point and you translated it a bit wrong :P But it is impressive! When they were hesitating to lead them to the light: All correct! the powers ordered to Prometheus and Epimetheus to ornate themselves and return for all, as is adequate:they ordered Prometheus and Epimetheus to supply them and share to each one of them the powers that fits to it. And Epimetheus himself requested Prometheus to return, "And when I return", he said "you will see."=Then Epimetheus requested Prometheus as a favor to do the sharing by himself(although you were very close!), "And when I do the sharing", he said "you can check on it" And he governs by convincing in that way=and after he conviced him that way,he did the sharing But still I'm impressed :P! You misunderstood some words that's all! [p.s that is the continue part from the text I wrote above.Plato!) Edited by NikolGr on 04 October 2009 at 4:29pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| psychicist Bilingual Octoglot Newbie Netherlands Joined 5567 days ago 9 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Dutch*, Hindi*, French, English, German, Spanish, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Greek, Persian, Sanskrit | Message 39 of 65 04 October 2009 at 4:41pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I was thinking about a few things when reading the Ancient Greek text (I find it easier to understand than the Modern one :)) and came up with this:
Since there was once a time when there were gods, but mortal species didn't exist. And when for these the time of birth came that was determined by fate, the gods molded them within the earth after doing a mix from earth and fire and as many of them as is (can be?) mixed with earth and fire. This may be too literal of a translation, but I wanted to make sure I understood everything correctly. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| NikolGr Newbie Greece myspace.com/hnikoleiRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5573 days ago 19 posts - 23 votes Studies: English* | Message 40 of 65 04 October 2009 at 4:53pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Yes you did! http://www.mikrosapoplous.gr/t2t.htm I found this site!At the list given you will see the word "αγγλικά" which is English and those texts will be translated.However I searched a lot for books,but couldn;t find anything :( Only texts like these on the above site but still a few... Edited by NikolGr on 04 October 2009 at 4:54pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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