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| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7020 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes  Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 17 of 30 03 September 2006 at 7:17am | IP Logged | |||||
Behind my teeth.
This might probably be correct. In Gibraltar, we usually don't pronounce the letter "s", depending on its position in the word. I would pronounce the words above as follows: "e'cusa", "e'clusiva", "etc. meaning that if I were to pronounce them properly, I'd use "s" rather than "x". It might vary regionally, though. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7108 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 18 of 30 04 September 2006 at 2:41am | IP Logged | |||||
I've found this a matter of some confusion myself and opinions seem to vary - IIRC the speakers in Assimil use 'x' rather than 's' but since I no longer notice the Castilian 'lisp' in the recordings I may well be wrong. My pronunciation has ended up as 's' rather than 'x' based on what I was taught first but I realise to some this may well sound 'off'. An 'x' sound there feels somewhat harsh to me. Andy. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Andy_Liu Triglot Senior Member Hong Kong leibby.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6791 days ago 255 posts - 257 votes Speaks: Mandarin, Cantonese*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 19 of 30 07 September 2006 at 6:51pm | IP Logged | |||||
Hi everyone, I would like to know whether I know how to pronounce the rolled R (of Spanish) /r/ and the R for Standard German /R/. Some time earlier, I heard of a word PERRO. It seemed to be a Spanish word. I take this as an example. When I try to read PERRO as /pero/, my tongue is raised a bit, approaching the "upper teeth" without touching them. I can feel the air from my throat leads to the vibration of my tongue. When I read PERRO as /peRo/, I open my mouth wide and only the uvula vibrates. I just put the tongue "flat" in the mouth (or actually it's just not raised as high as /r/ and is put a bit backwards?) One noticeable fact is that I open the mouth much wider for /R/. So did I MAKE the correct sounds of both /r/ and /R/ ? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7020 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 20 of 30 08 September 2006 at 6:56am | IP Logged | |||||
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I pronounce perro (dog) by placing my tongue towards the top of my mouth and allowing it to vibrate momentarily to get a trilling sound.
There's also pero (but) for which I place the tongue in the same position but vibrate it for a much shorter length of time meaning that there's no noticeable trill. Does this help? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Andy_Liu Triglot Senior Member Hong Kong leibby.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6791 days ago 255 posts - 257 votes Speaks: Mandarin, Cantonese*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 21 of 30 08 September 2006 at 7:50am | IP Logged | |||||
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Patuco: Thanks. That means I speak /r/ correctly. Defined as "alveolar trill", I think I MADE it. Releasing air from the throat, I slightly put the tongue near but not sticking the alveolar ridge.
In which languages does this /r/ appear? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6899 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 22 of 30 08 September 2006 at 9:33am | IP Logged | |||||
I'm sure the list would be very long. I even suspect the list of languages that don't have it might be shorter. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| panama Newbie Panama babelpoint.com Joined 6657 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English | Message 23 of 30 08 September 2006 at 10:43am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well the rolled R in Spanish is not the same of German or any German dialect like Bayerisch (Bavarian). And the Russian R in the word Russkij is also not the same, but is also not the German, English, or French one. I think the best thing you can do is to listen to the BBC in Spanish. You can listen to many different Spanish variations from Latin America and Spain there. You will notice that each country has it own pronunciation. For example if you listen to somebody from Costa Rica, I am pretty sure that you might not recognize the R in some cases, because it is pronounce like the English "sh" or better like the Russian "dz".
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| aaapple Diglot Newbie United States Joined 6456 days ago 23 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English*, French | Message 24 of 30 30 March 2007 at 8:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Andy E., you have "ceceo" and "seseo" reversed. "Seseo" is pronouncing
"z" and "c" before "e" and "i" like an "s" as is commonly done in much of southern Spain, the Canary Islands and in the new world (America). "Ceceo" is the pronunciation of these same letters somewhat like a "th", as in done in most of the rest of Spain. (Castellano is not a "posh" dialect of Madrid, as someone mentioned but is the domunant form of the language in Spain, The "purest" Castellano is said to be spoken in Valladolid). (dominant not domunant--typo). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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