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Sennin
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 Message 65 of 162
11 November 2008 at 8:35am | IP Logged 
Speaking of exercises and stuff, some time ago I created this Java applet for French:

http://sen-works.net/francais/index.php?p=-robot

It can be used to learn the numbers, the most common verb conjugations and some vocabulary. The word bank is not particularly rich right now, but I can fix this easily.

The applet generates most of the derived forms, with only verb stems and irregularities being stored.

Edited by Sennin on 11 November 2008 at 8:48am

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Liface
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 Message 66 of 162
12 November 2008 at 3:46am | IP Logged 
Whoever is hosting the wiki, you might want to look into a CAPTCHA for registration. There looks to be a lot of dummy accounts:
http://www.learnlangs.com/coursewiki/index.php?title=Special :Listusers&limit=50&offset=0

There are also some spam pages already:
http://www.learnlangs.com/coursewiki/index.php?title=Special :Allpages

Volte wrote:
Cainntear wrote:
One more observation on the dialogues:

Surely it's better to use native names? But if we do, the "Alex" thing won't translate (unless Alex is a foreign tourist)...


Please don't debate the color of the paint on the bikeshed.


That's actually a valid suggestion...

By the way, sprachprofi, why is there no German translation? I could write one up of course, but I figure it's better to let a native speaker do it...

Edited by Liface on 12 November 2008 at 3:54am

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peppelanguage
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 Message 67 of 162
12 November 2008 at 10:07am | IP Logged 
Lesson 3 - Italian

Tom e Alex hanno parlato un pò e (ora)* stanno andando a casa di Alex. Lungo la strada, Alex mostra a Tom alcun_ ____

Alex: Questo è il fiume, e quello laggiù il famoso ponte.
Tom: Interessante…E questo? Cos’è?
Alex: É il museo di storia.
Tom: No, non quello. Questo palazzo… moderno…
Alex: Oh, questo è il museo d’arte.

* ora (now) can be omitted in the Italian version…

Definite articles:
Singular        &nbs p; Plural
Il (masculine)     I (masculine)
Lo (masculine)     Gli (masculine)
La (feminine)     Le (feminine)

Word genders (adjectives):
masculine and femenine
usually you can form the femenine substituting the final letter (usually O) with a A…
Ex: bello – bella / brutto – brutta

Word genders (nouns):
You can have masculine or feminine nouns
Ex: gioco (m) / torta (f)

Compound nouns
“History museum” and “art museum” are not compound nouns in Italian…we have compounds like “cassaforte” (strongbox)…but for compound nouns like “history/art museum” we use a complement (complemento di specificazione – specification complement)

Word order
Italian is a SVO (Subject, verb, object) language, ex: “Io (subject) mi chiamo (verb) Giuseppe (object)…
As it comes to “article, adjective, noun” order it becomes complex. Italian accepts both the “article + adjective + noun” order and the “article + noun + adjective” order…anyway the most used is the “article, noun, adjective”, the other one is a little bit of a “higher register”


Lesson 4 - Italian

Tom: Casa tua è molto lontana?
Alex: No, ci siamo quasi. Sei stanco?
Tom: No, non sono stanco.
...
Alex: Ecco la mia famglia*. Questo è mio padre. Papà, questo è Tom.
Tom: Piacere di conoscerla.
Padre: Piacere mio.
Alex: E questa è mia madre.
Tom: È un piacere conoscerla.
Madre: Anche per me.
Alex: E... dove è John?
Madre: John non è qui al momento. Lui e Sarah sono ad** una festa.
Tom: John? Sarah? Alex, Sarah è tua sorella?
Madre: John è suo fratello. Sarah è la sua*** ragazza.

* In Italian we wouldn’t use the translation of “Let me introduce you to my family” (Permettimi di presentarti alla mia famiglia), a part in exceptional cases, like marriage purposals or in very very high formal situation…We are more likely to use “Questa è la mia famiglia” in informal situation (I didn’t put it to avoid the repetition of Questa – questo)

** the preposition would be A, but when 2 vowels “choke” we use (ONLY in the WRITTEN form) AD. This happens with all of the prepositions and conjunctions (E – ED)

***the last sentence is a little bit confusing in Italian (probably also in the original version)…try to re-write it in a simplier way

Possessive pronouns
Mio         &nb sp;Mine
Tuo         &nb sp;Yours
Suo         &nb sp;His/Hers/Its
Nostro           Ours
Vostro           Yours
Loro         &n bsp;Theirs


Note: I can’t find “younger brother/sister” anywhere in the text…
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peppelanguage
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 Message 68 of 162
12 November 2008 at 10:08am | IP Logged 
where you see " &nb sp; " that's just the TAB ... sorry ... didn't know that :P
and of course, if something misses, just tell me and I'll add it
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Leopejo
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 Message 69 of 162
12 November 2008 at 10:40am | IP Logged 
peppelanguage wrote:
where you see " &nb sp; " that's just the TAB ... sorry ... didn't know that :P
and of course, if something misses, just tell me and I'll add it

peppe, OCCASUS ha già fatto i dialoghi 3 e 4 in Italiano. Infatti lee lezioni vengono postate sul wiki; per questo OCCASUS non le ha riportate qui, ma semplicemente avvertito che erano sul wiki. Magari potreste collaborare :-)

Sorry for the post in Italian!
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peppelanguage
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 Message 70 of 162
12 November 2008 at 2:54pm | IP Logged 
don't worry... :) it's not that bed :) I didn't understand we should post them on the wiki, I just thought somebody (sprach) would MOVE them to the wiki...what are we doing in this thread, then? :D
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tricoteuse
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 Message 71 of 162
12 November 2008 at 3:00pm | IP Logged 
The Norwegian headline should be edited to Norwegian (Bokmål), since this country does have two variants of the language. No idea how to change that on the Wiki though, or if I even can do it myself.
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OCCASVS
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 Message 72 of 162
12 November 2008 at 3:40pm | IP Logged 
tricoteuse wrote:
The Norwegian headline should be edited to Norwegian (Bokmål), since this country does have two variants of the language. No idea how to change that on the Wiki though, or if I even can do it myself.

I've just fixed that.


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