Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6897 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map
| Message 26 of 30 13 December 2008 at 8:51am | IP Logged |
I'll throw in my point of view too:
Javi wrote:
Is reading aloud producing?
Is thinking in your target language producing?
Is writing producing?
Is filling in the gap producing?
Without a context, have words got any meaning at all? |
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes again, but in context the meaning is more precise.
slucido wrote:
Is struggling in recognizing and understanding sentences in your target language, production? Is it useless? |
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No and no.
Edited by Hencke on 13 December 2008 at 8:52am
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V8 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5842 days ago 21 posts - 21 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 27 of 30 13 December 2008 at 12:26pm | IP Logged |
Is it possible to learn a language without an SRS to the same degree as it is with the use of one?
I get so frustrated at the slow learning pace that an SRS delivers. Sentence by sentence is just way too slow for me. The only use I have found thus far, for an SRS, is to review already learnt sentences.
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V8 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5842 days ago 21 posts - 21 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 28 of 30 13 December 2008 at 4:13pm | IP Logged |
Actually, I take that last post back. A close relative of mine said:
"Whatever you decide, or no matter how much you change your mind, keep at least 4 cards going a day! With these 4 cards, you WILL succeed. It is better to succeed slowly, rather than not to succeed at all".
This may not mean much to you guys, but it just struck me as right. I suppose I'm trying to run before I can walk. I posted it just incase anyone like me [expects too much too soon] finds it.
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Feculent Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6164 days ago 136 posts - 144 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German
| Message 29 of 30 18 December 2008 at 3:55am | IP Logged |
I use srs completely different again =P
I don't use it to learn as such more to revise, I put the whole audio file (uncut) if an Assimil lessons so that I revise it regularly enough to remember the words without spending more time on it than I need to do when I could be watching tv in the language or L-Ring. I never learned anything actively, I just learnt passively but that spills over as active eventually, I can easily make myself understood in German it's far from fluent but with enough passive input you learn words actively after hearing them enough. When I say something that's incorrect I usually know it's incorrect before I say it but as I can't think of something better say it anyway =P My accent and grammar and grammar have improved alot when I spent my halfterm just watching tv in the language.
Maybe it doesn't work for everyone, but it does for me =)
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Brandon7s Newbie United States Joined 5864 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese
| Message 30 of 30 19 December 2008 at 5:21am | IP Logged |
I tend to through all kinds of information in my SRS deck (using Anki, by far the most user friendly and intuitive, to me), I'm learning Japanese by the way. I have kanji, single words, phrases, sentences, and will eventually put paragraphs in it I'm sure.
An example of what one of my phrase cards would look like:
Q: Large library
A: 大きい図書館 (おおきい としょかん)
And then there is a card with these answers and questions reversed. Since, as one would expect, it is far easier for me to recognize a Japanese word's definition than it is for me to produce the Japanese word's pronounciation and kanji, using both seems like a perfectly useful method to me. The worse that can happen is that I have a few extra cards to run through every day, and the best that can happen is that I learn the word twice as fast and twice as well. The more ways I can find that will help me link a character/word to a sound and English (native tongue) equivalent, the better off I am, I think.
Not sure how relevant all of that is, but that's how I use SRS at the moment; it seems to be working well for me.
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