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| ChiaBrain Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5812 days ago 402 posts - 512 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: Portuguese, Italian, French Studies: German | Message 41 of 75 10 July 2009 at 10:31pm | IP Logged |
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Hello Liz
Thanks for stopping by my log here. No, I haven't stopped. I'm actually on lesson 20 of Pimsleur 2 and lesson 45 of Assimil. That and listen to some Italian radio, read some Italian sites. I haven't been as regular though. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| ChiaBrain Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5812 days ago 402 posts - 512 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: Portuguese, Italian, French Studies: German | Message 42 of 75 17 December 2009 at 6:59am | IP Logged |
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just a very quick update
after a long time away lost in what is a black hole in time, the World of Warcraft, I started back up studying languages. I've been listening to Italian radio at work and i listened to some of Michel Thomas' Advanced Italian I think I didn't give Michel Thomas a fair enough shake before because I was trying to hard to remember everything he said and getting frustrated when i didnt memorize things. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| ChiaBrain Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5812 days ago 402 posts - 512 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: Portuguese, Italian, French Studies: German | Message 43 of 75 30 December 2009 at 7:18am | IP Logged |
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29-12-2009 Assimil lesson 50 (review lesson) Michel Thomas Advanced Disk 2; track 3 Essential Italian Grammar: started verb section found a copy of Schaum's Outline of Italian Grammar and reviewed some lessons Edited by ChiaBrain on 30 December 2009 at 7:19am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| ChiaBrain Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5812 days ago 402 posts - 512 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: Portuguese, Italian, French Studies: German | Message 44 of 75 31 December 2009 at 4:38am | IP Logged |
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I feel I need to study grammar. I feel like I haven't gotten any of it from Assimil and
I rather have it spelt out than overhear it listening to Michel Thomas talk to other people. I'm starting to wonder how much work I really want to put into Italian or any other language for that matter. Its fun to learn about different languages and learn some phrases etc. but to work towards fluency? Maybe I need more fun activities. Kato Lomb in her book said she learned by reading lots of target language material that she enjoyed, without translating every word but by learning them from context. She also mentioned that the discovery process made it not only more enjoyable but made it easier to remember. You are far more likely to remember something you figured out yourself than something you are told. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| staf250 Pentaglot Senior Member Belgium emmerick.be Joined 5701 days ago 352 posts - 414 votes Speaks: French, Dutch*, Italian, English, German Studies: Arabic (Written) | Message 45 of 75 31 December 2009 at 2:32pm | IP Logged |
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I made a big leap forward using a grammar-exercise book. In my book I have the explanation of some grammar,
f.e. the article, on one page, following 10 groups of exercises to correctly use the article. Articles il, la, lo. IT: the house: la casa FEM, the heritage: l'eredità FEM, the body: il corpo MASC, the sport: lo sport MASC, the student: lo studente, the students: gli studenti MASC PLUR ... Finishing the whole grammar-exercise book, I became a better student of Italian! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6787 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 46 of 75 31 December 2009 at 2:47pm | IP Logged |
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I too recommend doing grammar exercises. And I recommend writing out full sentences in a notebook, because it somehow makes you more used to the idea that *you* can write sentences in Italian correctly without too much of a struggle. After you've done a fair share of imitation by writing out sentences from the exercise book, it starts to feel more natural to make up your own. Edited by numerodix on 31 December 2009 at 2:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| ChiaBrain Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5812 days ago 402 posts - 512 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: Portuguese, Italian, French Studies: German | Message 47 of 75 31 December 2009 at 9:48pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks for the encouragement. It really helps for these long term projects.
edit: Thanks for the tip about using a grammar book with exercises and about writing the sentences out. In the book I'm using (Schaum's Overview of Italian Grammar) it has me write the sentences out. And yes, it does seem to help to get in the habit of forming complete sentences. Please feel free to suggest any books for Italian. Thanks! Edited by ChiaBrain on 03 January 2010 at 7:23am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| ChiaBrain Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5812 days ago 402 posts - 512 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: Portuguese, Italian, French Studies: German | Message 48 of 75 03 January 2010 at 1:59am | IP Logged |
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Jan 01, 02
I started studying with Schaum's Outline of Italian Grammar. I started at the beginning doing the pronunciation and am part way through the article section. Although I know most of of whats there it filled in some gaps in my knowledge regarding some irregularities. I'm on page 17. Feel's like its taking forever though. I figure I am going to balance using Assimil with "Essential Italian Grammar" and this book. It seems like a long road, though. The good thing is that I can enjoy Italian broadcasts understanding most of what is said. I've also been using the Client for Google Translate. It's quite handy providing translations for highlighted text in almost any application. update: I finshed up to page 19 in Schaums. All this work to learn how to pluralize nouns! I don't plan on memorizing all this material but the exercises do help internalize it. And I will certainly be more aware of it when I listen/read which will in turn strengthen the pattern recognition. I feel as though I am finding a balance between the massive input vs. grammar study approaches. Ultimately the goal is to not need grammar but it is like a scaffolding from which to build. I'm reminded of when I studied perspective drawing and read a quote to the effect of "study the rules of perspective drawing so you can forget them", meaning: study the rules until you develop an intuition about them so good that you don't need to consciously recall them anyore. Now I am going to read my Easy Italian Reader. Edited by ChiaBrain on 03 January 2010 at 7:20am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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