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Brian_N
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 Message 73 of 248
05 March 2009 at 11:01pm | IP Logged 
rafey wrote:
Your affinity for listening (as oposed to reading) will pay off with Mandarin since that is essentially a tonal-based language ... but a word of caution is warrented here ... #1) the slightest unintentional nuance in intonation can get you into a heap of trouble and 2) During my time doing clinical work in a plague struck area in the South China Sea region, (which included numerous excursions onto the mainland) some years back, I was surprised to discover how many Chinese really didn't quite understand Mandarin. In fact, I encountered so many dialects that appeared to be nearly entirely different languages that I wondered why I had spent so much time trying to learn Mandarin. Never the less, the language itself is absolutely fascinating and opens up a vast window onto a very different culture, history and way of thinking about the world. One could easily spend a lifetime in its study.
I also just learned through a private message that this window doe apparently accept fonts so I'll try out some Russian a bit later and maybe we can practice that way.


Don’t worry, come that day when I actually start speaking gibberish I should be fine. Once I get more advanced I’ll be doing another type of drill. Since I have all these audio words files (and a bunch of sentences too) , it only makes sense to start hammering out my accent. I’ll do that by recording my voice and comparing it to the native speaker audio and doing it again and again till I feel it matches. If I have to repeat it ten times, a hundred times, a thousand times...ten thousand times...it will match...no matter how long it takes. It might sound a little extreme, but seriously I will not dedicate an insane amount of time to a language only to sound like a dog choking when I speak it. I want to charm the women, not kill them with laughter.

Hmm, practice Russian, sounds fun...though I’ll need abit more time. I’d like to go through my grammar books first before I open a butcher’s shop. I’m only at day 24...but by day 60 I’ll be ready to play...or be chewed up and spit out by everyone who ‘actually’ knows Russian lol. Either or.


Edited by Brian_N on 06 March 2009 at 3:32am

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Brian_N
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 Message 74 of 248
06 March 2009 at 3:32am | IP Logged 
Just finished downloading a Russian grammar book from ebooks.com. Its called

Basic Russian: A Grammar and Workbook by John Murry and Sarah Smyth (MS Reader Version)

It’ll give me something to cut my teeth on while the other grammar books make their way here by snail mail.

Found another ***free*** Russian resource. I’ll post the links up tomorrow with a complete list of all my learning materials that I’m using.

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 Message 75 of 248
06 March 2009 at 2:56pm | IP Logged 
March 6th – Day 25
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Russian

Vocabulary -(+14)=> 375
     Nouns – Part 1-6 => Complete

Nouns - Part 7 => (26/50)
Verbs – Part 1 => (42/50)    => Under Review
Verbs – Part 2 => (6/50)      => Under Review
Verbs - Part 3 => (1/50)      => Under Review
Verbs 4-5 => Pending

Daily Quick Review    => Complete
Daily Deep Listening => Skipped
Grammar Study        => Starting Up
----------------------------------------------------------
Chinese

Vocabulary -(+1)=> 4
Nouns - Part 1 (4/50) => Under Review
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rafey
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 Message 76 of 248
06 March 2009 at 4:15pm | IP Logged 
Grammar? Who needs grammar? Anyway, let me know when you are ready. The Murray/Smyth text is not a particulary useful text other than as a reference once you have really studied the language and the "workbook" is not really a workbook in the true sense of the word. Again, the Brown text is OutstandinG (expecially as it contains loads of idiom and contextual pointers for everyday conversation __between couples__ ... right down your alley, I believe ... and loads and loads of vocabulary) and, once you have completed it, you'll be ready for really advanced work.

Мы будем говорить снова позже.
РАФИ
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 Message 77 of 248
06 March 2009 at 8:08pm | IP Logged 
rafey wrote:
Grammar? Who needs grammar? Anyway, let me know when you are ready. The Murray/Smyth text is not a particulary useful text other than as a reference once you have really studied the language and the "workbook" is not really a workbook in the true sense of the word. Again, the Brown text is OutstandinG (expecially as it contains loads of idiom and contextual pointers for everyday conversation __between couples__ ... right down your alley, I believe ... and loads and loads of vocabulary) and, once you have completed it, you'll be ready for really advanced work.

Мы будем говорить снова позже.
РАФИ


Кто нужд грамматика? Я нужд грамматика. Я чувствовать бы несчастный когда Русские начните использование меня как грамматика тренировка коррекции для их детей.


Edited by Brian_N on 06 March 2009 at 11:08pm

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 Message 78 of 248
06 March 2009 at 11:12pm | IP Logged 
I was surprised that I was able to understand most of what you said. I am just finishing my study of the Subjunctive (бы ... чтобы , etc) so it was a pleasant surprise to see such use in your communication. I only had to look up three unfamiliar words and one with which I was familiar but was unable to recall the precise meaning. Another way of asking "Who needs grammar?" is "Кто из грамматики начинаются?" This is more idomatic, as you can see. 'Когда русский язык начинается' is a more reflexive way of saying 'when I began to study Russian' and 'русский язык' is a more formal expression for 'Russian (Language),' the 'я' being pronounced 'ee' instead of 'ya' when placed before 'з.' 'обучение ' is another way of saying 'training.' At any rate, you can see how flexible the language is.
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Brian_N
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 Message 79 of 248
07 March 2009 at 12:00am | IP Logged 
rafey wrote:
I was surprised that I was able to understand most of what you said. I am just finishing my study of the Subjunctive (бы ... чтобы , etc) so it was a pleasant surprise to see such use in your communication. I only had to look up three unfamiliar words and one with which I was familiar but was unable to recall the precise meaning. Another way of asking "Who needs grammar?" is "Кто из грамматики начинаются?" This is more idomatic, as you can see. 'Когда русский язык начинается' is a more reflexive way of saying 'when I began to study Russian' and 'русский язык' is a more formal expression for 'Russian (Language),' the 'я' being pronounced 'ee' instead of 'ya' when placed before 'з.' 'обучение ' is another way of saying 'training.' At any rate, you can see how flexible the language is.


I think im more surprised that you were able to understand that at all. I actually have no clue what subjectives are, I just happened to find it in a few of the couple hundred sentences I mined to put that little bit together. I am actually no where near that level yet,(and by that level I mean any step higher than the floor) so please don’t think i am and start throwing advanced stuff my way lol.

'русский язык' Actually its funny you should mention that. I just learned that myself this morning as I was playing with the dictionary. I was like Russian tongue...that’s a weird name for a textbook, a couple of minutes later it clicked in. Hey wait a minute lol.


Edited by Brian_N on 07 March 2009 at 6:29am

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 Message 80 of 248
07 March 2009 at 5:39pm | IP Logged 
March 7th – Day 26
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Russian

Vocabulary -(+9)=> 384
     Nouns – Part 1-6 => Complete

Nouns - Part 7 => (35/50)   => Under Review
Verbs – Part 1 => (42/50)    => Under Review
Verbs – Part 2 => (6/50)      => Under Review
Verbs - Part 3 => (1/50)      => Under Review
Verbs 4-5 => Pending

Daily Quick Review    => Complete
Daily Deep Listening => Complete
Grammar Study        => Pending
----------------------------------------------------------
Chinese

Vocabulary -(+0)=> 4
Nouns - Part 1 (4/50) => Under Review

Edited by Brian_N on 07 March 2009 at 5:40pm



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