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| Message 265 of 405 04 August 2009 at 4:01pm | IP Logged |
I love the MT courses which he actually done himself.
Although my experience of the new ones are limited,
I have to say I do not think they are as good as the
ones Michel done himself.
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tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5867 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish
| Message 266 of 405 04 August 2009 at 5:11pm | IP Logged |
Cainntear wrote:
Michel Thomas courses. The new courses really are quite far removed from the real thing, with the exception of Dutch and possibly Portuguese. |
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I am quite intrigued with the many positive comments about the Michel Thomas method. But I am a bit confused over which MT Dutch course is which, and which one I should try. Amazon shows several including MT Dutch for Beginners: 8 CDs 10 April 2009, MT Dutch Advanced: 4 CDs (photo shows 5 CDs) 11 September 2009- not yet available), plus three MT Dutch called Foundation, Beginners, Advanced, dated in 2008 and Feb 2009. These three appear to be 1 CD versions.
Has anyone used the 8CD Beginners 10 April 2009, and/or does anyone plan to get the Sep 2009 new one? Comments?
My level of Dutch is B1, approaching B2. Any comments on how helpful the 8CD Beginners would be? Should I probably do the Beginners in preparation for the Sep 2009 Advanced?
Any guidance would be appreciated.
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Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 267 of 405 04 August 2009 at 5:21pm | IP Logged |
"Beginners" is just the North American title for what is known in the UK as "Foundation".
The UK editions are always available before the North American ones, as the brand is run by Hodder UK, and licensed to McGraw Hill for the US.
The UK edition avoids the term "Beginners" for a good reason: MT (well, Michel's ones, at least) courses cover a lot of stuff that wouldn't normally be done in a beginner's course, so they are useful to people quite far into intermediate.
If in doubt, check the course booklet at Audible and see how much of what's in it you know.
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Americano Senior Member Korea, South Joined 6847 days ago 101 posts - 120 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean
| Message 268 of 405 22 September 2009 at 9:24pm | IP Logged |
How do you approach MT? Is it advisable to do each lesson a certain amount of times, and then move on to the next lesson? I suppose, how is it that you measure your progress and whether you should move on to the next chapter or lesson? I am an intermediate Spanish speaker, and I hope that MT will help to cement some of the finer grammatical points for me.
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tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5867 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish
| Message 269 of 405 22 September 2009 at 11:04pm | IP Logged |
Americano wrote:
How do you approach MT? Is it advisable to do each lesson a certain amount of times, and then move on to the next lesson? |
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I am wondering the same thing. I just started MT Advanced Dutch a few days ago. I am now halfway through. So far, I have just done one pass through each part and moved to the next one. I guess it would depend on your starting level. I am a B2 in reading, and B1 in speaking, listening and writing (approximately of course). And I think I'll be able to finish the course without repeating. Then I intend to go back and repeat it from the beginning, one or more times. You may wish to have a look at my running commentary as I go through the course: Tommus's MT Advanced Dutch
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TerryW Senior Member United States Joined 6358 days ago 370 posts - 783 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 270 of 405 23 September 2009 at 6:34am | IP Logged |
Americano wrote:
How do you approach MT? Is it advisable to do each lesson a certain amount of times, and then move on to the next lesson? |
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If you're able to come up with most of the translations for MT's "How would you say...?" prompts for any lesson (either pausing the disc or not), then move on to the next lesson.
If you were pretty hesitant or slow or "hurky-jerky" to put together the sentence (enough so that you'd be embarrassed to speak like that to a native speaker), then repeat the lesson. If you repeat the lesson enough that it really gets old or you get discouraged or depressed at your lack of progress, move on to the next lesson anyway, the new material can rejuvenate you.
I found for ANY course that it's never a bad idea to go back and repeat old lessons every now and then, or even the whole course, since you can pick up things that you missed or forgot, and it really builds up a more solid foundation.
Edited by TerryW on 23 September 2009 at 6:41am
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Americano Senior Member Korea, South Joined 6847 days ago 101 posts - 120 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean
| Message 271 of 405 23 September 2009 at 8:10am | IP Logged |
tommus wrote:
Americano wrote:
How do you approach MT? Is it advisable to do each lesson a certain amount of times, and then move on to the next lesson? |
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I am wondering the same thing. I just started MT Advanced Dutch a few days ago. I am now halfway through. So far, I have just done one pass through each part and moved to the next one. I guess it would depend on your starting level. I am a B2 in reading, and B1 in speaking, listening and writing (approximately of course). And I think I'll be able to finish the course without repeating. Then I intend to go back and repeat it from the beginning, one or more times. You may wish to have a look at my running commentary as I go through the course: Tommus's MT Advanced Dutch
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I am low to middle intermediate in Spanish, so much of MT Spanish will probably be a review for me. I will follow your method of repeating for Spanish, but for Russian, Mandarin and French I may take things more slowly and repeat them until I feel comfortable or bored, and then move on. I'll definitely take a look at your commentary.
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Americano Senior Member Korea, South Joined 6847 days ago 101 posts - 120 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean
| Message 272 of 405 23 September 2009 at 8:18am | IP Logged |
TerryW wrote:
Americano wrote:
How do you approach MT? Is it advisable to do each lesson a certain amount of times, and then move on to the next lesson? |
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If you're able to come up with most of the translations for MT's "How would you say...?" prompts for any lesson (either pausing the disc or not), then move on to the next lesson.
If you were pretty hesitant or slow or "hurky-jerky" to put together the sentence (enough so that you'd be embarrassed to speak like that to a native speaker), then repeat the lesson. If you repeat the lesson enough that it really gets old or you get discouraged or depressed at your lack of progress, move on to the next lesson anyway, the new material can rejuvenate you.
I found for ANY course that it's never a bad idea to go back and repeat old lessons every now and then, or even the whole course, since you can pick up things that you missed or forgot, and it really builds up a more solid foundation. |
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Good solid advice. What I see with MT is that there is not actually a benchmark placed upon which you can base your progress. Redoing courses and getting as much exposure as possible will be ideal. I will come back to this thread after I finish the Spanish program to update you guys on how I feel MT helps intermediate Spanish students.
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