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 Message 361 of 405
08 February 2012 at 6:35pm | IP Logged 
zekecoma wrote:
But remember that not everyone does reviews. I do them sometimes, but not all the time.

Oh, I certainly didn't mean to suggest that some releases didn't even sell a single copy. -.-'

But it's undeniable that there is a correlation between number of reviews and popularity, the only exception I can think of being school textbooks.
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 Message 362 of 405
08 February 2012 at 7:10pm | IP Logged 
Random review wrote:
If you can tell that his accent is not 100% German then why are you using a beginner's course?


Being able to identify a non-native accent doesn't require a high level in the language.
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 Message 363 of 405
10 February 2012 at 12:46am | IP Logged 
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
Random review wrote:
If you can tell that his accent is not
100% German then why are you using a beginner's course?


Being able to identify a non-native accent doesn't require a high level in the
language.


Well, no, it doesn't; but it requires something a bit more than absolute beginner or
false beginner. Let's put it this way, his romance accents are not as good, but if you
can tell from his accent that Michel Thomas was not a native German speaker I can say
with some confidence that you're passed the level at which the course will be useful to
you, UNLESS you picked up a load of the language as a kind of "soup" elsewhere but lack
confidence with the grammatical structure, in which case spending 13 hours with Michel
Thomas' course is really, REALLY not going to hurt your accent.

Annoyance is one thing, but in terms of developing faulty pronunciation I can
confidently assert that, whatever your level, the only way that using a Michel Thomas
course will cause you to develop faulty pronunciation is if you do not use it properly
(you spend months instead of hours on it or, worse, try to learn it).

Edited by Random review on 10 February 2012 at 12:47am

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jazzboy.bebop
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 Message 364 of 405
10 February 2012 at 1:50am | IP Logged 
Random review wrote:
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
Random review wrote:
If you can tell that his accent is not
100% German then why are you using a beginner's course?


Being able to identify a non-native accent doesn't require a high level in the
language.


Well, no, it doesn't; but it requires something a bit more than absolute beginner or
false beginner. Let's put it this way, his romance accents are not as good, but if you
can tell from his accent that Michel Thomas was not a native German speaker I can say
with some confidence that you're passed the level at which the course will be useful to
you, UNLESS you picked up a load of the language as a kind of "soup" elsewhere but lack
confidence with the grammatical structure, in which case spending 13 hours with Michel
Thomas' course is really, REALLY not going to hurt your accent.


I'm not really sure if you need be more than an absolute beginner or false beginner to realise that Thomas doesn't speak with a native German accent but perhaps the reason for that is his accent does not change much from his English accent which to my ears doesn't sound particularly German.

What you say is probably often applicable when it comes to hearing a person speak whom you haven't heard before though.

But anyway, Thomas' accent should not put people off from using his courses. If I learn German one day I'll certainly be using Thomas' courses as my starting point.


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zekecoma
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 Message 365 of 405
10 February 2012 at 3:18am | IP Logged 
jazzboy.bebop wrote:
Random review wrote:
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
Random
review wrote:
If you can tell that his accent is not
100% German then why are you using a beginner's course?


Being able to identify a non-native accent doesn't require a high level in the
language.


Well, no, it doesn't; but it requires something a bit more than absolute beginner or
false beginner. Let's put it this way, his romance accents are not as good, but if you
can tell from his accent that Michel Thomas was not a native German speaker I can say
with some confidence that you're passed the level at which the course will be useful to
you, UNLESS you picked up a load of the language as a kind of "soup" elsewhere but lack
confidence with the grammatical structure, in which case spending 13 hours with Michel
Thomas' course is really, REALLY not going to hurt your accent.


I'm not really sure if you need be more than an absolute beginner or false beginner to
realise that Thomas doesn't speak with a native German accent but perhaps the reason
for that is his accent does not change much from his English accent which to my ears
doesn't sound particularly German.

What you say is probably often applicable when it comes to hearing a person speak whom
you haven't heard before though.

But anyway, Thomas' accent should not put people off from using his courses. If I learn
German one day I'll certainly be using Thomas' courses as my starting point.



Probably can't do to copyright and patents. =\
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jazzboy.bebop
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 Message 366 of 405
10 February 2012 at 3:30am | IP Logged 
zekecoma wrote:

Probably can't do to copyright and patents. =\


Thankfully my dad has the CDs for the Foundation, Advanced, Language Builder and Vocabulary courses for German already so I can just borrow them whenever I want in future. ^_^

Probably won't bother much with anything other than the Foundation and Advanced courses though.
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zekecoma
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 Message 367 of 405
10 February 2012 at 4:11am | IP Logged 
jazzboy.bebop wrote:
zekecoma wrote:

Probably can't do to copyright and patents. =\


Thankfully my dad has the CDs for the Foundation, Advanced, Language Builder and
Vocabulary courses for German already so I can just borrow them whenever I want in
future. ^_^

Probably won't bother much with anything other than the Foundation and Advanced courses
though.


I like the German foundation course so far. Even though I know most of it so far.
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I hope they do a new Spanish version. I do not like his Spanish accent. It is really
awful to listen to. I just listened to the 2nd track (via youtube). I wouldn't bother
using MT for Spanish. I do like the German and Russian ones.
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jazzboy.bebop
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 Message 368 of 405
10 February 2012 at 4:42am | IP Logged 
zekecoma wrote:


I like the German foundation course so far. Even though I know most of it so far.
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I hope they do a new Spanish version. I do not like his Spanish accent. It is really
awful to listen to. I just listened to the 2nd track (via youtube). I wouldn't bother
using MT for Spanish. I do like the German and Russian ones.


I know what you mean about his Spanish accent! Makes me feel uncomfortable to listen to. He might not have been good at accents but he was good with grammar! Not sure about the other courses but I noticed Thomas teaches some incorrect things though not grammar related.

My dad thinks the Foundation and Advanced German courses are a great start but you'll still need to find another good grammar resource, especially for cases. My dad also noticed the lack of an important kind of past-tense which was taught in the French and Italian courses but not in the German ones. Can't remember what particular tense it was though but my dad was confused as to why it wasn't taught as it is an important one to know.


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