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| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes  Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 81 of 231 22 May 2009 at 11:32am | IP Logged |
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22/5/09
OBSERVATIONS: NOT FEELING IT FOR MY BANGLA/ARABIC TUTOR Right now I'm supposed to have tutoring as I scheduled everyweek. However, I made a bold and important decision today. I just got off the phone with my tutor and told him that I no longer wanted to have tutoring anymore. He is a nice and enthusiastic fellow when it comes to teaching, but the problem with him as a native Bangla tutor who teaches arabic and bangla is that he already has preconceived ideas about how to teach it and how the language works. Whereas me, an English native speaker need to learn the language from an English-speaker's poitn of view. What that means is that he was teaching me with assumptions and lack of clear English explanations of how the language works as a whole. His inability to speak English clearly was also an issue. I suppose once I started realising that Bangla was not one of my main goals, I lost my motivation to see the tutor regarding Bangla, and felt the urge to cancel today's lesson. But then upon further reflection, I thought that even if I only learnt arabic with him, I was really unsure whether my time would be better spent actually learning Arabic using English materials, such as the current arabic alphabet book by Awde, and then 'Mastering Arabic' and 'Al-Kitaab series', al of which I've heard are good. Also, I felt that I learnt more about arabic as a language as a whole with reading Awde's first 40 pages than with the 4 hours I spent learning rote Arabic with the tutor. I also had an issue with the fact that the tutor had grammatical names for aspects of the Arabic language that were at odds with the Standard Arabic name. In other words, he had Bangla names for Arabic grammar points, and I found that odd when I would cross-reference his teaching with Awde. Another main reason was last night, I had a party with the other international staff (well more of a get-together for the American Idol final). This gathering was instigated by Elyse, the Canadian Quebcoise, but the sound on the TV didn't even work, so we ended up just chatting and playing a French card game called 'Jungle Speed' while we were drunk. That game requires speed and coordination and concentration, which are all contra to drinking alcohol! Well, today I really only woke up at 3pm. Last night I came home at 1.30am, but I suppose I slept so much because that day had been quite tiring with the AusAID mission at the camps as the weather was hot, then dinner with the AusAID people and then gathering at the ACF NGO house late at night. I feel alot more refreshed now, but having woken up at 3pm, I felt that it didn't make sense that I started to feel all this stress because my tutor was coming to teach me Bangla, which in the long term, I wouldn't be able to maintain as a language. Therefore, I made the quick decision to just stop this nonsense, and have the ability instead to learn Arabic at my own pace with English-based materials at first, and also to learn Bangla for its essential points, which I already have done quite well with small phrases! I'm happy with my decision, and feeling better now and more positive about language learning for my main target languages now of Arabic, French and Tagalog. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 82 of 231 23 May 2009 at 9:07am | IP Logged |
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23/5/09
*Tagalog - Basic Tagalog:Lesson16-29 *French - 3h TYS French Grammar: p1-64 *Arabic - NO ARABIC TODAY Edited by m.alberto1 on 24 May 2009 at 3:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 83 of 231 23 May 2009 at 11:01am | IP Logged |
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23/5/09
OBSERVATIONS --> MOVING TO NATIVE MATERIALS Okay, so I have a new air of inspiration and dare I say, dissatisfaction! Dissatisfaction with my current action plans for tagalog and French. I was inspired, very inspired, after reading GoldFibre's logbook and seeing the progress made in Korean in such a short time. From it, I gained that the biggest shift in momentum was the move to native materials. As I read the logbook, I realised that through my own action plans, I had planned to keep on learning from grammar books and non-native materials for about a year more!!! The reason I wanted to do that was because I had all these resources, and I wanted to put them ALL to use. The reality is that if I keep it up and finish up doing all of those non-native materials, my return on investment per item I finish would probably be very minimal. I have been finding that this is the case because I'd been reading and doing some of those non-ative language guides and grammar texts, and I've been finding that the material has been a repetition of what I already know about the structure of the languages of tagalog and french. Truth be told, I've actually had 2 years of tagalog and french tutoring me and still i don't classify myself as able to deal with native materials well. I believe that the best way to excel myself is to MOVE NOW ONTO NATIVE MATERIALS for both tagalog and french. I had been feeling that with arabic, I had a large sense of curiosity for the language, but with tagalog and french I was getting bored because many of the rules I already know. I really need now to see and listen and interact with those grammar rules of tagalog and french in context and in the real world, through real materials. AND I MUST START FROM TODAY ONWARDS. I will try it for the next month and see how it goes. I doubt I will return to the rote, grammar, non-native material-based methods I had been using in the past. My old plan is written below for tagalog and french.. I'll now go about updating my action plan on PAGE 1, with a focus on interacting with native materials - HOORAY! I'm very excited about this! I do feel confident enough to move on to native materials for french and tagalog because of my long study of those languages already. I do feel it is time. Thanks again GoldFibre for your inspiration!!! Like you, I'm learning languages in a country where most people don't even speak it! GoldFibre's logbooks is here: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=11183&PN=1 MY OLD PLANS French ***1-3 hours per day 1. French in Action 2. Michel Thomas - Basic, Advanced, Language Builder 3. Spark Notes Charts 4. Pimsleur French I,II,III [April,2009] 5. French Dictionary for Beginners (to help build Vocabulary using pictures) [May,2009] 6. Teach Yourself French Grammar; About.com French [May,2009] 7. DLI French Basic Course [June,2009] 8. French Phrasebook [July,2009] 9. 200 Words a Day French (http://www.200words-a-day.com/learn-french.html) [July,2009] 10. Foreign Service Institute French - Phonology, Basic Vol 1&2 [August,2009] 11. Tell Me More French - Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced [September,2009] 12. Rosetta Stone French 1,2 [October,2009] 13. Street French - David Burke; Rodrigues - Streetwise French [November,2009] 14. French Videos: Open Learning Initative - http://www.cmu.edu/oli/courses/french/index.shtml [December,2009] 15. Grammair Progressive du francais - Nivel débutant [December,2009] 16. Grammair Progressive du francais - Nivel intermediaire [Jan, 2010] 17. Grammair Progressive du francais - Nivel avancé [Feb, 2010] 18. 50 songs, lyrics, translation & music video (all to increase association & memorability) [March, 2010] 19. 50 comics [April-May,2010] 20. FAO Language Proficiency Exam [May,2010] 21. 50 Wikipedia articles in French [June,2010] 22. Easy French Readers: Mon Pays: Frenchville-St. Agathe (elementary textbook) , Mon Pays: Madawaska (elementary textbook), Je voyage au Canada (elementary reader) , Chez nous: Mon village (elementary reader) , Les Acadiens (elementary reader) , Chez nous: Ma famille (elementary reader), Mon pays: Ma foret ; Progressive Pronouncing French Reader - http://soyouwanttolearnalanguage.googlepages.com/languagee-b ooks [July-August.2010] 23. Easy books - L'Etranger, Le Petit Prince [July-August.2010] 24. Le Francais Fonde sur la Competence by M. Dimanche: Novice, Intermediare, Avance, Superieur - http://soyouwanttolearnalanguage.googlepages.com/languagee-b ooks [Sept-Oct,2010] 25. 50 radio news and newspaper articles - Radio France Internationale, SBS mp3s, Le Monde [Nov,2010] 26. 50 Audiobook+Ebook (LR Method) - litteratureaudio, librivox, Harry Potter [Dec-Jan,2010] 27. Movie Talk French Advanced DVD-ROM [Feb,2010] 28. 50 Movies to watch [March-April,2011] 29. Dual-Language Bible 30. 50 Books to read - scribd.com, buy some (Kouchner,"Guerriers de la Paix"; "SVDM: un homme exceptionnel"; "Bernard Kouchner: Biographie"; et Des Livres sur la developpement personnel) 31. Focus on Conversation - Alliance Francaise 32. Focus on Writing 33. French Masters in University of Paris-Sorbonne http://www.simpsonspark.com/scripts/s1/7g08.php http://www.simpson-streaming.com/s8-ep3.php http://futurama-stream.fr/voir_episode.php?id=149 http://fr.truveo.com/Jamais-2-Sans-Toit-020-02/id/336241613 Phonetique: Apprendre à prononcer le français - http://phonetique.free.fr/indexgb.htm À l'écoute du français - http://library.athabascau.ca/drr/view.php?course=fren&id=452 Tagalog ***30m-1 hour per day 1. Tutors Notes - Organise and Revise 2. Pimsleur Tagalog [April,2009] 3. Basic Tagalog: Aspillera [May,2009] 4. Tagalog Phrasebook [May,2009] 5. Rosetta Stone Tagalog 1 & 2 [June,2009] 6. Tagalog Language Packet [July,2009] 7. Beginning Tagalog - Bowen [July,2009] - betterworld $70 8. Intermediate Readings in Tagalog - Bowen [August,2009] - betterworld $63 9. Tagalog Structures by Teresita Ramos [August,2009] - NLA $45 10. Modern Tagalog [Sept,2009] - betterworld $33 11. Handbook of Tagalog Verbs - Teresita Ramos [Sept,2009] - betterworld $38 12. Ngumiti Ka Na: Tagalog Through Humour [Oct,2009] 13. Children's Picture Books [Nov,2009] 14. Children's Comic Books [Dec,2009] 15. Young Adult Comic Books [Jan-Feb,2010] 16. 50 Wikipedia articles in Tagalog [March,2010] 17. Authentic Tagalog video (text + video) (Uni Hawaii) [April,2010] 18. DVD - Pakinggan at Unawain: Comprehending Intermediate Filipino (Uni Hawaii) [April,2010] 19. 50 songs, lyrics, translation & music video (all to increase association & memorability) [May,2010] 20. Easy books - "Mga Kwento sa Biblia para sa mga Bata", Ang Munting Prinsipe [June,2010] 21. 50 Radio news - Tagalog Newspaper Reader + Audio (Dunwoody Press), SBS mp3s [July,2010] 22. CD-ROM - Makinig at Bumasa: Intermediate-Advanced Filipino (Uni Hawaii) [August,2010] 23. Tagalog Slang Dictionary (Dunwoody Press) [August,2010] 24. 50 Movies [September-October,2010] 25. Advanced Tagalog Reader [November,2010] 26. Tagalog Poetry [December,2010] 27. Cornell Tagalog - 103 Cassettes (http://lrc.cornell.edu/learning/languages) [January-Feb,2011] 28. Dual-Language Bible (New Testament) [March-April,2011] 29. 50 Tagalog Novels [May-July,2011] 30. Focus on Conversation 31. Focus on Writing Modern Standard Arabic ***30m per day 1. The Arabic Alphabet, how to read and how to write it - Nicholas Awde 5. Alif Baa + Answer Keys- betterworld.com 2. Jane Wightwick & Mahmoud Gaafar - Your First 100 Words In Arabic 4. Arabic-English dictionary like the Hans Wehr one 3. Living Language Ultimate Arabic - betterworld.com (for book) 6. Mastering Arabic - betterworld.com 7. Al-Kitaab with DVDs + Answer Keys: Part I, Part II, Part III - betterworld.com 8. Arabic Reading Course, Arabic Language Course - http://www.madinaharabic.com/index.htm 9. Learn Arabic - http://afl.sakhr.com// 10. Arabic Verbs & Essentials of Grammar 2E - Wightwick & Gaafar 11. Linguaphone Arabic Complete Course - http://www.linguaphone.co.uk/learn-arabic-with-our-arabic- complete-course-on-cd-course-171.html 12. G.W. Thatcher's classic "Arabic Grammar of the Written Language," 13. Defense Language Institute Modern Standard Arabic: Basic & Intermediate 14. Rosetta Stone Arabic 15. TYS Arabic 16. Michigan University Modern Standard Arabic: Elementary & Intermediate 17. Elementary Modern Standard Arabic 18. DLI Arabic Sustainment and Enhancement Course - http://onlinelearning.lingnet.org/arabic/Navigation/mainfram e.htm 19. FSI Modern Written Arabic - http://multilingualbooks.com/fsi-mwa.html / audioforum.com 20. Al-Kitab Al-Asasi 21. Focus on Contemporary Arabic 22. Contemporary Arabic Readers (University of Michigan Press) - amazon.com 23. The Art of Speech: Arabic Idioms - http://soyouwanttolearnalanguage.googlepa ges.com/languagee- books 24. Advanced Standard Arabic through Authentic Texts and Audiovisual Materials by R. M. Rammuny - http://soyouwanttolearnalanguage.googlepages.com/languagee-b ooks 25. Arabic newspapers - http://www.attamaddon.com/ , http://www.daralhayat.com/ , http://www.almustaqbal.com/Default.aspx, http://www.ahram.org.eg/ , http://al-araby.com/, http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/ , http://elakhbar.org.eg/service/home/ , http://www.elakhbar.org.uk/, http://www.gn4me.com/nahda/index.jsp , http://www.shbabmisr.com/ , http://www.elaph.com , http://www.masrawy.com/ 26. Movies in MSA - arabfilms.com, babylondvd.com (dubbed in fus'ha), ebay.com (importkingdom) 27. Arabic Comics - http://www.arabcartoon.net/, http://www.comicsgate.net/, http://www.arabiccartoons.net/ , arabicprints.com , ebay.com (IslamShopping) 28. Arabic Books - arabicprints.com, multilingualbooks.com 29. Arabic E-books - http://mybook.bibalex.org/ 30. Arabic Audiobooks - http://www.alraynews.com/audiobook.html, http://www.alwaraq.net/AudioBook2.htm 31. Assimil: Arabe Sans Peine Tome 2 32. Arabic News video clips and radio - http://www.aljazeera.net/ , http://www.alarabiya.net/ 33. FAO Arabic Language Proficiency Exam Edited by m.alberto1 on 27 May 2009 at 6:20am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 84 of 231 23 May 2009 at 11:28am | IP Logged |
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23/5/09
MY NEW PLAN For Tagalog and French, I could improve these languages and maintain my interest in them ongoingly by making it fun for me with this daily strategy for each language: Using Native Materials, I do: 15min. MUSIC (memorising comprehensible input) 15min. READING (books gradually getting harder, with SRS vocab input) - count unknown words 15min. LISTENING (news, with transcript, with SRS vocab input) - count unknown words 15min. VOCAB (SRS memorising) Edited by m.alberto1 on 23 May 2009 at 11:30am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 85 of 231 24 May 2009 at 5:23pm | IP Logged |
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24/5/09
FRENCH: 2h 10min - listening & reading: RFI News 1h45m - flashcard input & translating: 74 words unknown TAGALOG: 1h reading childrens book: "Kasama ko si Lola" flashcard input & translating: 4 words unknown in book =) reading childrens book: "Ruth" flashcard input & translating: 34 words unknown in book *Move to using a Filipino-Filipino Dictionary Only (no more English!) Edited by m.alberto1 on 24 May 2009 at 6:37pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 86 of 231 25 May 2009 at 3:21pm | IP Logged |
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25/5/09
FRENCH: 1.5h 10min - listening & reading: RFI News 1h10m - flashcard input & translating: 40 words unknown TAGALOG: 1.5h flashcard input & definitions in tagalog: 34 words unknown in "Ruth" book reading childrens book: "Pinagaling ang Ketong ni Naaman" I will do the flashcard input for this tomorrow, as well as the tagalog definitions Edited by m.alberto1 on 25 May 2009 at 4:52pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 87 of 231 26 May 2009 at 3:51pm | IP Logged |
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FRENCH: 1.5h 10min - listening & reading: RFI News 1h10m - flashcard input & translating: 43 words unknown TAGALOG: 1h flashcard input & definitions in tagalog: 19 words unknown in "Pinagaling ang Ketong ni Naaman" book ARABIC: 30m Reorganised learning plan - felt unmotivated reading Awde because, like my renewed plans for french and tagalog, I've felt that for arabic, my plan needs to be more efficient. I need to focus less on grammar with my time in the long term, and get as quick as I can into the native materials. Tomorrow, I'll publish my new arabic learning plans on the first page, while recording my old plan as a remembrance. OBSERVATIONS: I observed that some of the same words are popping up that I point out as not knowing, when I listen to RFI. I think it's not useful for me to keep gathering more words per day without memorising the words first. Therefore, I propose to read and get input of those words on one day and then every second day after, and then for every alternate day I will focus on memorising the words. I believe this to be more worthwhile, so that I don't have to worry about not knowing the same words. Edited by m.alberto1 on 26 May 2009 at 7:17pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
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Current effective long-term language development
For French, I noticed that these were the sequential key stages in my development - this same pattern may be useful for me in learning arabic or other languages 1. grammar ---> including entire grammar summary is a MUST (for global understanding eg SparkCharts) 2. speaking drills (eg Pimsleur, Michel Thomas) ----> in order to get a feel of simple sentences and grammar put to use 3. listening+reading simultaneously, AND definitions of unknown words (vocab) on SRS ----> anything with audio with transcript; OR audiobook with ebook 1 person has voted this message useful |
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