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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6707 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes  Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 105 of 231 08 June 2009 at 12:51am | IP Logged | |||||
At least the beneficiary verbs are mentioned (those with the prefix Ipag-), and also several others, but there is an issue with the names of the different kinds of verbs. There is a reference to some Instrumental-focus verbs (with Ipang-), which probably belong to your group of complex verbs. I have also read that there are special imperative forms, but that they now have receded in the modern version of the language, except maybe in its dialects. Just a quick question: do you also know Cebuan or other of the languages in the Philippines? I only have a language guide of Cebuan, but it looks like there are several common mechanisms in Tagalog/Pilipino and Cebuan, so I wonder whether they are mutually comprehensible. Edited by Iversen on 08 June 2009 at 12:52am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 106 of 231 08 June 2009 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Could you please direct me to where on the Seasite website, I may find the Ipag- and Ipang- verbs?? I think you are correct that it does contain the beneficiary verbs, among others.
Special imperative forms? I hadn't heard of them before. And you're probably right that they aren't used in modern tagalog/pilipino. From my understanding, for mag-verbs, the infinitive form of the mag-verb is also used for the imperative. Whereas, for um-verbs, the infinitive form of the um-verb is used for the imperative, as well as the past-tense (or completed aspect). For your question about Cebuano, I've been to Cebu and other Visayan islands such as Bohol. I actually went there earlier this year. Most people will understand you if you speak Tagalog/Pilipino in Cebu or Bohol, or other Visayan islands because Tagalog/Pilipino is taught in schools and is spoekn widely on TV programs. However, by knowing Tagalog/Pilipino, this will not automatically mean you will understand Cebuano. If you already know Tagalog, it will definitely help you to learn Cebuano/Visayan, but you would need to actively learn Cebuano/Visayan for you to understand it. There are some words in Cebuano/Visayan that are the same, and there are some grammatical structures that are similar. But they are not so similar that they can be mutually comprehensible. I've also found that there aren't that many resources for Visayan/Cebuano. As for whether I know any other Filipino dialects: I know of them, although I don't speak them. My father can speak Pangalatok (Pangasinan dialect, a region from Luzon), and can understand Ilocano (another from Luzon). I've also visited Zamboanga in Mindanao 2 years back, and that place is interesting as they speak the Spanish Creole of Chavacano there, and I met the Mayor who promotes the place as 'Asia's Latin City.' You'll find that generally Tagalog and the Visayan languages and other dialects tend to have the same sounds and rhythm. Sometimes when I listen to Visayan, it seems like it's Tagalog, but the words just don't seem right and I can't understand. This is also similar to when I hear Indonesian and it seems similar to Tagalog in sound and rhythm, although the words and grammar are different. Hope this helps your curiosity!
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| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 107 of 231 09 June 2009 at 3:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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TAGALOG: 30m Insta-Class 20071114 L1 = teaching language (English) L2 = target language (Tagalog) 1) Read segment in L1; 2) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L2; 3) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L1; 4) Shadow (speak out loud after) the audio of L2 as many times as necessary to become fluent Edited by m.alberto1 on 10 June 2009 at 5:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 108 of 231 09 June 2009 at 3:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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FRENCH: 1hr Insta-Class 20040105 L1 = teaching language (English) L2 = target language (French) 1) Read segment in L1; 2) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L2; 3) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L1; 4) Shadow (speak out loud after) the audio of L2 as many times as necessary to become fluent TAGALOG: 30m Insta-Class 20071121 L1 = teaching language (English) L2 = target language (Tagalog) 1) Read segment in L1; 2) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L2; 3) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L1; 4) Shadow (speak out loud after) the audio of L2 as many times as necessary to become fluent ARABIC: 30m The Arabic Alphabet, how to read and how to write it: p66-71 Edited by m.alberto1 on 10 June 2009 at 5:33pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 109 of 231 09 June 2009 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
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OBSERVATIONS: NEED TO IMPROVE LISTENING COMPREHENSION OF FRENCH I find that when I listen to French news, it can get very fast, and there are times when I do not understand. The transcripts really do help. In comparison, my tagalog comprehension is superior at 90-95%, so it tends to be more enjoyable. For French listening comprehension, I found the following advice useful from blindsheep. It seems that I just have to keep at it with the French listening with transcripts and I am definitely on the right track. I just have to keep doing it and after several hours of it, I will reach a breakthrough! I look forward to that day.
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| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 110 of 231 10 June 2009 at 5:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
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FRENCH: 1hr Insta-Class 20040112 L1 = teaching language (English) L2 = target language (French) 1) Read segment in L1; 2) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L2; 3) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L1; 4) Shadow (speak out loud after) the audio of L2 as many times as necessary to become fluent TAGALOG: 30m Insta-Class 20071128 L1 = teaching language (English) L2 = target language (Tagalog) 1) Read segment in L1; 2) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L2; 3) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L1; 4) Shadow (speak out loud after) the audio of L2 as many times as necessary to become fluent ARABIC: 15m The Arabic Alphabet, how to read and how to write it: p72-75 Edited by m.alberto1 on 11 June 2009 at 3:08am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 111 of 231 11 June 2009 at 4:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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FRENCH: 30m Insta-Class 20040126 L1 = teaching language (English) L2 = target language (French) 1) Read segment in L1; 2) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L2; 3) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L1; 4) Shadow (speak out loud after) the audio of L2 as many times as necessary to become fluent TAGALOG: 30m Insta-Class 20071205 L1 = teaching language (English) L2 = target language (Tagalog) 1) Read segment in L1; 2) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L2; 3) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L1; 4) Shadow (speak out loud after) the audio of L2 as many times as necessary to become fluent ARABIC: 30m The Arabic Alphabet, how to read and how to write it: p76-81 OBSERVATIONS: READING ARABIC ON SIGNS By reading Awde's book, I'm beginning to gain confidence and insight into reading some arabic signs here in Bangladesh. It feels really good being able to make meaning out of the letters I see. Edited by m.alberto1 on 12 June 2009 at 7:35am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 112 of 231 12 June 2009 at 7:47am | IP Logged | |||||
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FRENCH: 1hr Insta-Class 20040202 L1 = teaching language (English) L2 = target language (French) 1) Read segment in L1; 2) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L2; 3) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L1; 4) Shadow (speak out loud after) the audio of L2 as many times as necessary to become fluent 5) Scriptorium: 10 sentences (Read sentence aloud and find unknowns; Write and read aloud each word; Read aloud sentence I wrote) TAGALOG: 30m Insta-Class 20071212 L1 = teaching language (English) L2 = target language (Tagalog) 1) Read segment in L1; 2) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L2; 3) Listen to the segment in L2 while reading it in L1; 4) Shadow (speak out loud after) the audio of L2 as many times as necessary to become fluent ARABIC: 30m The Arabic Alphabet, how to read and how to write it: p82-94 COMPLETE!! OBSERVATIONS: IMPROVEMENTS IN SHADOWING CONVERSATIONAL FRENCH Originally, my head would hurt and my brain would be overloaded and overwhelmed at trying to follow French speech through shadowing. However, now I'm really being able to catch up with the words, and so my french speech and reading speed is surely getting faster and being processed faster in my brain. It's a great feeling noticing this improvement. Edited by m.alberto1 on 12 June 2009 at 9:41am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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